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Brian Ratcher

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

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#1 - 2014-05-21 09:18:23 UTC

Hello boys and girls!

Loki experts required please.

I have a 112 mill SP pilot-skilled character returning after a break (she quit after the Drone Region nerf) so I'm just using this new character to work out what's new/different. But back to the point, I've remembered she has a Loki sitting in Hek that was bought to use as one of those sneaky gate camp breaking secret squirrel type ships. But that's all I can remember.

It has the following subsystems fitted :-

Tactical Targeting Network
Amplification Node
Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Covert Reconfiguration
Interdiction Nullifier

Which gives it 5 highs (4+1), 6 mids and 4 lows.

1) Is that still a viable function for a Loki?

2) Anybody got a half-decent load-out for it?

3) As I'm now in Empire, it seems a bit pointless to think about creeping around gate camps in null so is there anything else this fitting can be used for?

4) So should I just sell up and move on or

5) Refit different subsystems, use another load-out and go do something different with it - but what?

All suggestions welcome (except the rude ones) and I'm willing to consider anything (except the rude stuff).

Thanks

Lloyd Roses

Artificial Memories

Likes received: 1,356

#2 - 2014-05-21 10:00:18 UTC

I have no idea what you'd want to do with those subs :P

In general for pvp, there is a plated Loki with Autocannons and oversized AB, a plated one with 10mn AB and artillery and a shield-one with double nano, artillery and a single LSE as tank, aswell as a fit as a cloaky anomtackler (like plated/oversized AB and a cloak instead of the sixth gun).

There are also things like capstable active shieldtanked with 10mn AB (is bad cause subs don't work), plated mwd autocannon loki (works a little in null, but is straight out terrible in low/whs) and shieldtanked cloakies (don't do, it's horrible).

About the AHAC-one (plated, autocannons), the bulk of people goes with mwds - which is totally legit if you fly in blobfleets. If you need your loki to really perform in a smallscale engagement though, you won't get around fitting 100mn.

From my perspective:

[Loki, mulipass IV]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Centum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner
True Sansha Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Is what I was running the last two years. It mitigates most of the incoming damage (and nearly all missile damage), so it's incredibly handy if you're fighting hostiles in an anom. You can dictate range and the low sig/high veocity helps with the kin/exp-heavy missiles form sleepers.

___

[Loki, kite]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Is an old kiting fit. Since you can tackle from around 40km and also project out there, you're able to engage near anything outside of where they can project damage to. Got to admit I only flew it a couple times since Sentries got popular.


Brian Ratcher Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 0	#3 - 2014-05-21 10:26:37 UTC Quote: I have no idea what you'd want to do with those subs They were the standard fitting subs for the Sneaky Pete Loki and were all I installed before waving goodbye.

Lloyd Roses

Artificial Memories

Likes received: 1,356

#4 - 2014-05-21 10:33:27 UTC

Brian Ratcher wrote:

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I have no idea what you'd want to do with those subs

They were the standard fitting subs for the Sneaky Pete Loki and were all I installed before waving goodbye.

Guess you could take that fit and replace the engineering with a PCM and the targeting one for a range thingy and go for elite station pvp (warp @100km, decloak, kill cyno with 720s/Tremor), but that's about it...

If you're into gatecamping, you might want to look into sabre+falcon(+backup-falcon + backup-falcon-falcon), that's what people are running currently with great success. :P

Extraction and Exploration Ltd. 103
McRoll Extraction and Exploration Ltd. Likes received: 103	#5 - 2014-05-21 11:04:55 UTC I use my Loki sometimes as a fast tackler + sniper. You can tackle a frig in a second or less if you have some remote sensor boosting on you and you can alpha many frigs instantly as well as catching pods. Comes in handy if you have a lot of traffic in frigs and Ventures and other small **** that might be stabbed. Legion can do it too but not as good as Loki.

Yin Jian Enterprises 319
Rayzilla Zaraki Yin Jian Enterprises Likes received: 319	#6 - 2014-05-21 13:18:14 UTC I am finding the Loki to be a tough one to fit, too. I got the Proteus right for several uses and I have a good laser Legion and a good missile Legion. Tengu and Loki are the problem children for me. Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.

Jon Joringer

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 158

#7 - 2014-05-21 19:01:08 UTC | Edited by: Jon Joringer

Really depends what you want to use it for. Loki, like all T3s, can do a lot of things.
It can be a great Rapier replacement for AHAC gangs, can be a great insta-lock arty ship, can be a great active shield tank brawler, can do the sneaky sneaky well, but Proteus is usually preferred for that role, etc.

I think the thing that maybe turns people off from the Loki is that it's not as OP as other T3s. It can field a nice tank, but not a brick monster like Prots/Legions. It can get decent/nice dps but isn't going to look great beside ridiculous blaster dps of a Proteus, etc. It's a good ship though. Kind of hope the other T3s will be brought more in line with it.

Ten Thousand Days 641
Maeltstome Ten Thousand Days Likes received: 641	#8 - 2014-05-25 00:33:30 UTC I have a perfect skills loki and i can safely say it's the trashest T3 on the market. The heavy missile nerf maybe makes the Tengu worse, but not by a lot. I love the Legion/Proteus though.

Zamyslinski

Beach Boys

The Minions.

Likes received: 18

#9 - 2014-05-28 11:46:12 UTC

[Loki, kite]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425 Autocanon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Suplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Basicly a vagabond on steroids.

about 500dps goes 1985m/s has 54k ehp

great range control thanks to long range web

***** on takle nicely

whoth lvl 5 skills in thermodynamics and strategic criuser
you can overheat tht ****** the whole fight

Maeltstome

Ten Thousand Days

Likes received: 641

#10 - 2014-05-28 13:46:31 UTC

Zamyslinski wrote:

Not worth the ISK or the SP loss. Loki really is a terrible autocannon Boat.

Zamyslinski

Beach Boys

The Minions.

Likes received: 18

#11 - 2014-05-29 06:55:01 UTC

Maeltstome wrote:

Zamyslinski wrote:

Not worth the ISK or the SP loss. Loki really is a terrible autocannon Boat.

Its not a poor scrub vessel

Danny John-Peter

The Congregation

RAPID HEAVY ROPERS

Likes received: 579

#12 - 2014-05-29 09:40:04 UTC

Well the obvious use is to support armour tanked gangs.

I have 2;

[Loki, full tank 5 mid]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Centum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb
True Sansha Small EMP Smartbomb

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Warrior II x5

This I use for BS fleets and such, your DPS isnt really important there so you go max tank and support, you can swap mids out as needed with ECCM or more webs etc.

I also have this;

[Loki, Cheap Arty]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Corelum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Internal Force Field Array I
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

This is what I use for AHAC gangs where you don't need the tank as much, and where your DPS might actually be needed.

So yeah the Loki is a handy ship, I used to fly some AC kite fits but they were underwhelming, especially post TE nerf.


Maeltstome Ten Thousand Days Likes received: 641	#13 - 2014-05-29 11:32:20 UTC Zamyslinski wrote: Its not a poor scrub vessel Your right it's not, but that doesn't mean it's not a waste of ISK. Pump that much cash into a Proteus or Legion and you'll see results. Web range and tank is the only reason it's used for fleet combat. The rest of the ship is trash compared to the other T3's.

East Trading Co Ltd 283
Deerin East Trading Co Ltd Likes received: 283	#14 - 2014-05-29 13:00:10 UTC 2 I think a 720mm armor tanked alpha loki with bonused webs is a huge asset to any gang. That thing hits for 5k, has long range webs, has a tracking bonus and medium gun size weapon sig.

Maeltstome

Ten Thousand Days

Likes received: 641

#15 - 2014-05-29 23:37:03 UTC

Deerin wrote:

I think a 720mm armor tanked alpha loki with bonused webs is a huge asset to any gang. That thing hits for 5k, has long range webs, has a tracking bonus and medium gun size weapon sig.

The only thing it can do better than a Rail Prot or Beam Legion is the webs. But a prot can disable MWD's from 20K and keep a point on the target from twice that range easily.

I wont argue that 720's are better than AC's though. I've been on the receiving end of both kinds of Loki, Arty Loki's are the only ones that actually caused a threat.

Tarojan

Tarojan Corporation

Likes received: 246

#16 - 2014-05-30 06:03:04 UTC

Maeltstome wrote:

Deerin wrote:

I think a 720mm armor tanked alpha loki with bonused webs is a huge asset to any gang. That thing hits for 5k, has long range webs, has a tracking bonus and medium gun size weapon sig.

How would you fit that proty? Im assuming I'd need gall strat cruiser to 5 as well?

Will gank for food

Zamyslinski

Beach Boys

The Minions.

Likes received: 18

#17 - 2014-05-30 09:12:40 UTC

Maeltstome wrote:

Zamyslinski wrote:

Its not a poor scrub vessel

Your right it's not, but that doesn't mean it's not a waste of ISK. Pump that much cash into a Proteus or Legion and you'll see results. Web range and tank is the only reason it's used for fleet combat. The rest of the ship is trash compared to the other T3's.

Indeed but the other t3s are not usefull in skirmish warfere this is the thing were tengu and loki exceed all other t3s
The loki fit i posted is perfect anti takle the autocannons are good on the ship both range wise and dps wise,

Thing is you can fit the ship without any pimpage and for about 370 mil you get pretty similar results.

then it has the same range bonus as the cynabal and vagabond so how does it make it a worse AC platform than those two ships?

True its slower than vaga but i didnt undock the ship without snakes which make that thing go past 3k m/s

So no other t3s are viable as skirmishers except the loki and 100mn tengu. perhaps a 100mn legion though armor ships for skirmish are meh anyway (passive shield recharge while puling range ftw)

Just saying if you know what youre doing and are a decent small gang skirmish (2-3 people) pilot this is the ship for you.

Maeltstome

Ten Thousand Days

Likes received: 641

#18 - 2014-05-30 09:25:05 UTC

Tarojan wrote:

Maeltstome wrote:

Deerin wrote:

I think a 720mm armor tanked alpha loki with bonused webs is a huge asset to any gang. That thing hits for 5k, has long range webs, has a tracking bonus and medium gun size weapon sig.

How would you fit that proty? Im assuming I'd need gall strat cruiser to 5 as well?

It's a bunch of 5 day skills so it's not a big deal to assume subsystems 5 and strat cruiser 4.

[Proteus, Armor Gang]

1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

10MN Microwarpdrive II
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Propulsion - Wake Limiter
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

Hammerhead II x5

If you'd rather have a webifier you can change some subsytems but you'll be dropping a Gun slot for a Mid slot. Webbing isn't your job though.

You can swap the cap injector for a web and still be cap stable with the MWD off - but i'd recommend keeping it to avoid being neuted into a space-brick.

Oh, the Scram range is ~17k, 22k overheat. It's 22K base with gang links. Slaves + Gang links puts you at 300k ehp, without them you only have 160k. Casual 600+ DPS with 18k opti on antimatter.

Also you can drop a bunch of EHP and be a bit more Nano depending on your gang format. Sadly no AB subsystem on the prot though.

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1
Ahz Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1	#19 - 2014-06-18 20:28:49 UTC I'm in a similar position. Returning after two years away. Looking to fit up a Loki for null sec solo exploration. Not particularly interested in PVP but wish to be able to move about at will. When I left Loki was well suited for this. Is this still the case? What potential fits would work? thx

Guns'N'Ammo

The Dark Resistance

Likes received: 13

#20 - 2014-06-20 18:40:26 UTC

Here is the fit I have been using since the ASB came out. Before adding the DG Invuln I was using a T2 but that required a 3% cpu implant. The current mods allow it to fit with no implants being required. The dps is able to get above 500 with the appropriate damage implants and this baby has been able to melt/tank most ratters I've come across.

[Cloaky, Loki]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

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