EVE General Discussion

That's been mentioned several times. Though unless OP has 6-7 bil isk lying around, renting a JF (and pilot) through something like Black frog is saner.

That kind of thinking is what gets jump freighter pilots killed. It's relatively simple and relatively safe, but errors related to docking radii and station model quirks can get you killed pretty easily. There are some arcane bits of knowledge you need to know before lighting a cyno or else you'll be getting bumped by a mach and ganked literally meters from safety. Word to the wise.

OP as many, many people have suggested, you could use us (Black Frog). It's probably not something you've budgeted for, but it beats losing a ship and components. You'll know better next time! Also, if you're going to continue building caps, you'll want to go ahead and train for JF. The logistical freedom you have with a JF is incomparable.

First read through I noticed you said square meters. That's be great if the charon was 2 dimensional. But, since it has a 3 dimensional cargo hold, it has nearly a million cubed meters.

If you want to build caps in lowsec you should prolly;

1. Build 425mm rails in highsec to compress minerals (28x volumetric compression)
2. Use blackfrog JF service or dual web trick w/ alt in a system with 0 locals. DO IT SMART. Always scout.
2. Need scrap metal reprocessing (check the math to see what level) and 6.67 standings with the corp that owns the station (reduces corp tax to 0%, 5% being 0 standings)
3. Build your components
4. Build your cap
5. Cry while your dread sits on the market for a while

How big is a capital construction part?
Is it less than 10 km^3?

Here's how i get my stuff from high sec to-> null/low

My main can fly a blackops my alt can Use covert cyno

I just bridge anything worth more than 100m in to an random safe spot in my target system, covert cyno don't show up on scan and i can cloak as soon as i load.

Only problem is i can only hold 10k m^3 and the back ops can only bridge to 4.25 ly away

But it's alot cheaper than getting a jump freighter.

i don't think im the only one who has thought of this.

The biggest problem I'm seeing out of the thread is that to research how to build a dread, the average pilot has to search google or the forum for info on how to do it. Half the info will be from 2008 or earlier, so it's correctness is suspect, and some threads will contain contradictory info, sometimes adjacent to each other.

I have seen no clear information WITHIN EVE about where I can build Orcas or Jump Freighters or any other cap ship. There's no apparent info about supercaps being unable to dock anywhere. There isn't even info that a Rorqual can't use jumpgates.

There's no info about if a ship has jump drive then it can't use gates, except that that's not true, because there are ships that can jump and use gates. Or that capitals can't enter highsec, except ships like the Veldnaught exist. If I see one in highsec, then a new player's assumption is likely that they can enter highsec.

All of these restrictions should be readily apparent in the BPO and Ship details, so the fact that you can't build them is known PRIOR to buying the print, rather than after you've acquired everything, encountered an error message, and realize that the goal you've been working towards for months is for naught.

There is actually.

The station factories have a list of the types of items they can build.

Try lighting a Cyno in high sec, it won't work.

Try jumping a cap through a gate, it won't work.

If you're unwilling to allow others to do your research (and accept that it may not be 100% up to date and accurate) by using out of game resources (including the CCP moderated Wiki), you can do your own research in game to figure out the mechanics (expect research to be expensive and time consuming). Or make friends with people who did that research (it is a social game, after all).

As for the idea that a setback kills the possibility of completing your goal, you must not have really wanted to complete it.

Agreed. Finding information in EVE is hard, and finding reliable information is even harder. There is a lot of false information out there. Testing stuff, preferably on Sisi, is the only reliable way to get info. That is a bit cumbersome though, particularly for newer players.

I have for some time come to believe that a general improvement of how EVE gives the player information in game, is one of the best and most important steps CCP can take to increase new player retention. Frustration with lack of information is quite common among newer players in particular, but also among not-so-new players. Uncertainty about other areas of gameplay can also lead a lot of people to get stuck in a pattern, and not try new things.

Let us look at some examples.

Missions
A new player keeps asploding when running lvl 1 or 2 missions. (Yes, this actually happen. ) The player, using the tools available to him, notices that the Serpentis wreaks he loot contain rockets, projectile weapons and lazors, along with the hybrids. Looking at the stats of the weapons, he desides that an omnitank is the way to go. The wreaks also contain a mix of shield extenders and armour plates, so he fits both. Further, when flying the missions, he recognizes the Serpentis ships as Atrons, and some research later have determined that the best ammo to use would be explosive.

From the info the game gives, this is rational. It is also horribly wrong, but there really is nothing in game, except other players bios, that will tell you that Serpentis are weak against kin/therm, and only do kin/therm damage, in spite of the lazors in the loot..

Low sec
A more experienced player, having gotten good at running missions and ratting in high sec, decides to brave low sec to pick up that excellent deal he just found there. The ship of choice: Battleship. Yeah.. They always assume that jumping into low with a frig is suicide, but a battleship should be OK. This confused the heck out of me, until I realized that this is exactly what the game has taught them. When running missions, a larger, heavier tanked ship is always safer.

There are plenty more examples like this. And lets not get started on aggro mechanics, or inventions, which are two fields were 60+% if all statements the average player will make is wrong.. And if you do inventions without consulting datadumps and 3d party tools, you will lose isk.

Fair enough.

Gratz.

If I may, how did you end up moving the materials?