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Drone DPS dropped, have i missed something?
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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-06-18 02:40:12 UTC
Notes on Patches?
Atalia Madeveda
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-06-18 04:38:13 UTC
You had **** drone skills pre patch and post patch your drone skills got shittier.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-06-18 04:55:25 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Just to clarify ...

Aside from two cases - Gecko's and T2 sentries WITHOUT Racial Spec trained to V - both of which lost DPS, the DPS of everything T1 should have gone up and non-sentry T2 stayed pretty much the same.


EDIT:

The other big exception, light and medium drones on the Ratlesnake.

Except that even with all V skills t2 sentry DPS went down.

Am I the only person who noticed this?

Fozzie's numbers for T2 sentries indicated that only Gardes and Bouncers should have gone down, curators and wardens up. I haven't verified the math though.



hmm ... still see no reason for using wardens or curators. Garde remain best damage up close and Bouncers due to the great falloff work well with the new omni that mainly improves falloff.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-06-18 04:59:25 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

hmm ... still see no reason for using wardens or curators. Garde remain best damage up close and Bouncers due to the great falloff work well with the new omni that mainly improves falloff.
Those are my tools of choice as well, though if that's common it may be the reason for the comparative nerf.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-06-18 05:06:15 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

hmm ... still see no reason for using wardens or curators. Garde remain best damage up close and Bouncers due to the great falloff work well with the new omni that mainly improves falloff.
Those are my tools of choice as well, though if that's common it may be the reason for the comparative nerf.



If they want people to use wardens or curators they need to give them useful features. Give Curators crazy good tracking for example or Wardens 20% more HP might work.

Otherwise people are just going to stick with Garde and Bouncers for everything.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#46 - 2014-06-18 05:18:26 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos -> "Drones:"

However, that wouldn't explain a 25% drop in DPS.




Thanks man, appreciate it.

The ship in question went from 1011 dps to 772 so it's more like 23% or something. It only does drone dps and has exactly the same drones in it as it had before.


Train up the drone racial skills. They are needed more now than before because they affect all the drones now as far as I know.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#47 - 2014-06-18 09:25:26 UTC
with the damage balance I find using the right drone on the right rats is better now than just using gal/min drones.

this goes doubly for the gurista ships.

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Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-06-18 09:48:26 UTC
You only missed a year of internet apparently
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#49 - 2014-06-18 11:07:13 UTC
Elmonky wrote:
You only missed a year of internet apparently


Are there any patch notes I could read to catch up on the internet?

English is fine, though Engrish, 1337$p3@I<, or lolcat would work also.
Arean Proktor
Chilli Joe
#50 - 2014-06-18 11:20:40 UTC
Just wanna appear in a Keno post :-)
Conrad Lionhart
#51 - 2014-06-18 11:25:44 UTC
When will patch notes be released? It still says to be released.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos
Keno Skir
#52 - 2014-06-18 12:05:54 UTC
Arean Proktor wrote:
Just wanna appear in a Keno post :-)


Yaaay :D


Anyway, i'm not sure i said anything all that rude. And apologising for being vague in EvE is like apologising for running in football.

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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-06-20 14:48:14 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-kronos -> "Drones:"

However, that wouldn't explain a 25% drop in DPS.




Thanks man, appreciate it.

The ship in question went from 1011 dps to 772 so it's more like 23% or something. It only does drone dps and has exactly the same drones in it as it had before.


Prepare to feel stupid...

Domi.

1011 dps was with Lrg Hybrid Guns and drones...

772 dps is with drones only and drone links in highs...
Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-06-20 15:08:13 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
If you payed a bit more attention in schoo.

Hilarious
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-06-20 15:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Keno Skir wrote:
..i asked in the post if it was in some patch notes. From this you can of course (being clever little soldiers)


Hot tip: People who aren't smart enough to find the patch notes on their own don't get to be condescending.

What you should have done:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eve+online+patch+notes

Instead, you opted to showcase your ineptitude on a public forum, thereby inviting much deserved ridicule.

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Kesshisan
#56 - 2014-06-20 17:03:25 UTC
Drones were balanced in the Kronos expansion.

Pre-Kronos, only two racial drones were used much at all: Gallente, and Minmatar.

CCP decided that they wanted to make all racial Drones a viable choice and balanced them. The idea behind the balances can be outlined in this post: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/

The basic idea for non-sentry drones is you get more damage as you get less speed, and you get more speed as you get less damage.

The basic idea for sentry drones is you get more damage as you get less optimal/falloff, and you get more optimal/falloff as you get less damage.

To achieve this balance the two previously leftout racial drones (Amarr and Caldari) got their damage increased a bit.

To achieve this balance the two previously used racial drones (Gallente and Minmatar) got their damage decreased a bit.

Now you have an option to choose between speed and damage or distance and damage. Furthermore, you are no longer limited to only two damage types with drones, you are now free to select your damage type and have a viable drone available to you, but you may need some training to get it up to par.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#57 - 2014-06-20 17:19:28 UTC
That's a templar. The amarr fighter.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#58 - 2014-06-20 18:37:12 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Rannasha Kore wrote:
Are you using Geckos? All drones except for Geckos had their base damage adjusted to compensate for the DI nerf. Geckos were introduced with their post-patch values already in place, so before the patch they benefited from both the old DI and the improved base damage.


Winner. 2 Geckos featured in the flight of 5.

Well i guess it was a tad overpowered..

It's interesting that all but 3 of the people who replied to this post had thousands of likes yet provided no content aside from low level sarcasm. The one person with likes still in single digits nailed it hard with no attitude.. It's like the worlds gone upside down in GD as always :D



They get likes because they make people chuckle a tad with their silly and often useless banter. It was a chuckle filled thread for me as it read like one of my 2 y/o daughters books, 'We are in a book".
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-06-21 01:34:13 UTC
Man, if only CCP released this information ahead of time so you could prepare & not have to sit there wondering why something today is different from yesterday.

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#60 - 2014-06-21 03:12:42 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

hmm ... still see no reason for using wardens or curators. Garde remain best damage up close and Bouncers due to the great falloff work well with the new omni that mainly improves falloff.
Those are my tools of choice as well, though if that's common it may be the reason for the comparative nerf.



If they want people to use wardens or curators they need to give them useful features. Give Curators crazy good tracking for example or Wardens 20% more HP might work.

Otherwise people are just going to stick with Garde and Bouncers for everything.

Wardens are good for shooting kinetic-weak rats at range.

Curators should theoretically be good against EM-weak rats, but CCP in their infinite wisdom nerfed their falloff so much that you're often better off using bouncers or wardens.