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I'm bored, and the make your own content thing doesn't work.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-06-17 04:03:14 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Is pvp really so scarce that people literally have to wardec or pvp roam just to find some action?


Chewytowel Haklar wrote:

Perhaps I just want pve content that guides me and I am too used to that... But where is the action in this game?


You just want to PVE, and you wonder why people are picking fights with you while you ask if PVP is scarce, while you PVE. I'll let that thought process sink in a moment.

While PVP is not really that scarce, you pointed out the fundamental reason why at times it can be, and you were decced. EVE is a PVP game, and by playing it, you consent to being PVP'd.

CCP should change the EULA by adding this line in bold in the largest most annoying font ever:
"By accepting this EULA I hereby acknowledge that EVE Online™ is a PVP game at its core and that I can and will receive PVP whether it is consensual or not. Therefore it is a violation of the EULA if I received PVP even if it is one sided with me on the receiving end and any posts/rant/whining in the EVE Online™ forums is a direct violation of the EULA and will result sanctions deemed appropriate by CCP like making me spawn on a gatecamp in my ratting battleship and/or in a C6/C5 wormhole."

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#42 - 2014-06-17 04:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
What you wrote
Yang Aurilen wrote:

CCP should change the EULA by adding this line in bold in the largest most annoying font ever:
"By accepting this EULA I hereby acknowledge that EVE Online™ is a PVP game at its core and that I can and will receive PVP whether it is consensual or not. Therefore it is not a violation of the EULA if I received PVP even if it is one sided with me on the receiving end and any posts/rant/whining in the EVE Online™ forums is a direct violation of the EULA and will result sanctions deemed appropriate by CCP like making me spawn on a gatecamp in my ratting battleship and/or in a C6/C5 wormhole."

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Yang Aurilen wrote:
blah.... it is ... a violation of the EULA if I receive PVP....blah
You forgot a not in your post, I added it in italics in the quote, you may want to fix that. P

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-06-17 04:42:46 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
What you wrote
Yang Aurilen wrote:

CCP should change the EULA by adding this line in bold in the largest most annoying font ever:
"By accepting this EULA I hereby acknowledge that EVE Online™ is a PVP game at its core and that I can and will receive PVP whether it is consensual or not. Therefore it is not a violation of the EULA if I received PVP even if it is one sided with me on the receiving end and any posts/rant/whining in the EVE Online™ forums is a direct violation of the EULA and will result sanctions deemed appropriate by CCP like making me spawn on a gatecamp in my ratting battleship and/or in a C6/C5 wormhole."

What some people see
Yang Aurilen wrote:
blah.... it is ... a violation of the EULA if I receive PVP....blah
You forgot a not in your post, I added it in italics in the quote, you may want to fix that. P

Thank you internet space lawyer. Oops

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Azurius Dante
Banana Corp
#44 - 2014-06-17 11:13:36 UTC
Low sec is where the fun is :)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#45 - 2014-06-17 11:17:07 UTC
I press butan

Why cannot into content?

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Sykaotic
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-06-17 11:27:38 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:


The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills and that just meant we had to play possum cause none of us had a chance to take the dude out. Is pvp really so scarce that people literally have to wardec or pvp roam just to find some action?



Nope, they are the hi sec carebear pvpers that cannot handle real pvp. They are just as scared to go to low sec / null sec as any mission runner or miner. But.... they also are twisted in that they get more kicks from killing easy targets than real pvpers.

There is tons to do. Your welcome to join me in low sec faction warfare. You can make decent isk in Faction warfare.

There are tons of other options... feel free to contact me in game.

o7

Sy
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-06-17 11:32:37 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
So I've done career agent missions, worked my way up to level 3 security missions, done distribution missions, improved my standings with Caldari State....

Let me ask you guys a question first off...what the heck is the point of doing a courier mission when millions are required in collateral and they only pay a couple hundred thousand? Why should I even waste my time with these lol. I ask this cause I figure I would try these types of objectives to see if it is interesting and nope...just boring.

The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills and that just meant we had to play possum cause none of us had a chance to take the dude out. Is pvp really so scarce that people literally have to wardec or pvp roam just to find some action?

I've been with players who can do security level 4 and make tons of isk off of these and yet I see no real point to these tedious and boring type of gameplay. I've tried to get into the pvp side a little bit but as a new player I get destroyed...

I don't know...I was hoping this game had more depth, but all it seems to have is timers attached to skills that take weeks/months/years to train for just so you can hopefully have some fun in this game. Shocked

I read that some chick online decided to become a pirate and managed to go out and see several big battles...yeah I haven't seen anything at all like that lol. Every single way I look in this game something is going to take me a ton of time to do, or perhaps I just lack imagination. But bounty hunting is pointless as you only get 20% of the worth of the ship and yeah that stinks... Living in WH space isn't possible as I have no idea how to survive sleepers or the onslaught of those who make billions hunting others down.

Perhaps I just want pve content that guides me and I am too used to that... But where is the action in this game?



Basically you are not at all making your own content... You do missions and the most boring stuff you can find. A one man corp wardecced you and instead of blobbing the hell out of him, you paid him! One guy in a griffin would ruin his day... Takes a day to train for that! You say you cant do wormholes... Why? A C1 wormhole can be easily farmed by a 1 month old char. Also, you tried pvp but never got into a big battle? Did you ever try it outside high sec? Maybe with a group? Its not like everytime you run into people in pvp, that a huge fleet wil magically appear and fight along your side. You haev to find that big group and then go pvp.
Spectral Tiger
#48 - 2014-06-17 11:40:51 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
So I've done career agent missions, worked my way up to level 3 security missions, done distribution missions, improved my standings with Caldari State....

Let me ask you guys a question first off...what the heck is the point of doing a courier mission when millions are required in collateral and they only pay a couple hundred thousand? Why should I even waste my time with these lol. I ask this cause I figure I would try these types of objectives to see if it is interesting and nope...just boring.

The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills and that just meant we had to play possum cause none of us had a chance to take the dude out. Is pvp really so scarce that people literally have to wardec or pvp roam just to find some action?

I've been with players who can do security level 4 and make tons of isk off of these and yet I see no real point to these tedious and boring type of gameplay. I've tried to get into the pvp side a little bit but as a new player I get destroyed...

I don't know...I was hoping this game had more depth, but all it seems to have is timers attached to skills that take weeks/months/years to train for just so you can hopefully have some fun in this game. Shocked

I read that some chick online decided to become a pirate and managed to go out and see several big battles...yeah I haven't seen anything at all like that lol. Every single way I look in this game something is going to take me a ton of time to do, or perhaps I just lack imagination. But bounty hunting is pointless as you only get 20% of the worth of the ship and yeah that stinks... Living in WH space isn't possible as I have no idea how to survive sleepers or the onslaught of those who make billions hunting others down.

Perhaps I just want pve content that guides me and I am too used to that... But where is the action in this game?



If all you do is missions you will get bored eventually and think what's the point. In fact that can happen in any game when you're not having fun or spending too much time on the game as you can wonder if your time would be better invested elsewhere.


War-decs can be a problem which is why many stay in NPC corps that and the fact some player corps aren't worth joining and it can be a bit of a lottery to get into a good one. The corp that started the war-dec can be looking for action at your expense, they maybe just trying to disrupt the day to day running of the corp you belong to or even the alliance your corp belongs to.

People avoid war-decs by leaving the corp temporarily, have a second account and play that whilst the war-dec is active even play something else whilst the war-dec is active. But sitting in a station scared to come out is no fun.


Bounty hunting is kind of pointless seems the 20% thing was introduced to stop people claiming the bounty on themselves. If people can milk a system they will.


The game is a sandbox if you can't find ways to entertain yourself with what's in-game then you're really not going to enjoy this game.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-06-17 11:52:02 UTC
If its just 1 person then look up "derptron". Cheap fit atron with lots of dps when in numbers. Maybe sprinkle that evil ECM in your fleet also and perhaps a couple logi. Just get him away from the docking radius of a station and have a go at it.
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-06-17 12:53:37 UTC
Azurius Dante wrote:
Low sec is where the cowards live

FTFY
Srsly, the last time my (w-space) corp went roaming in low everyone there behaved like complete cowards.
E.g. we where flying a small 10man T1 cruiser gang and found a 18man fleet also with T1 cruisers and two falcons. Even though we where sure they would most certainly win we decided to engage and give them a good fight. But what did they do? They ran away...?!?
An hour later the same people dropped our 10 man cruiser gang with 3 Archons, a Phoenix and several BS / BCs.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#51 - 2014-06-17 13:04:19 UTC
Removed an off topic post.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#52 - 2014-06-17 13:08:33 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:

Srsly, the last time my (w-space) corp went roaming in low everyone there behaved like complete cowards.



Oh giggle

Giggle x 10

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#53 - 2014-06-17 13:25:23 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Srsly, the last time my (w-space) corp went roaming in low everyone there behaved like complete cowards.


Wrote brave wormhole dweller via NPC corp forum posting alt Roll

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Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-06-17 13:26:29 UTC
Sykaotic wrote:
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:


The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills and that just meant we had to play possum cause none of us had a chance to take the dude out. Is pvp really so scarce that people literally have to wardec or pvp roam just to find some action?



Nope, they are the hi sec carebear pvpers that cannot handle real pvp. They are just as scared to go to low sec / null sec as any mission runner or miner. But.... they also are twisted in that they get more kicks from killing easy targets than real pvpers.

There is tons to do. Your welcome to join me in low sec faction warfare. You can make decent isk in Faction warfare.

There are tons of other options... feel free to contact me in game.

o7

Sy


I think I will do just that if I see ya in game :)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-06-17 15:25:55 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jessica Duranin wrote:

Srsly, the last time my (w-space) corp went roaming in low everyone there behaved like complete cowards.



Oh giggle

Giggle x 10


And another x10 from me. Every single wormholer that's come into our lowsec through every single wormhole that's opened there since we've been there has run cowering from a bunch of newbs that we have out there. There was one exception, a mixed Drake/AHAC fleet that tried to blob one of our newbs, baiting him with one of the Drakes. Unfortunately for the bait, our newb was the bait to spring their trap. He survived, btw, right there in that Hurricane. Other than those guys though... I mean, I sat on one of them in a Heretic a few weeks back and a Cerberus came through. I was like, ****, I don't think I can kill that but I'll sure try anyway. And then, to my disappointment, he jumped right back through.

I only know of two wh groups, off the top of my head, that won't flinch for a good fight. You know, the kind with little to no fuckery involved.

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#56 - 2014-06-17 15:58:30 UTC
Does not work... for you.

Just like going into business for yourself is not for some people,

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CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Deepwater Hooligans
#57 - 2014-06-17 16:11:27 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox.


Emphasis mine. What you want from the sandbox and what you say in this statement are completely at odds with each other. What you want is for you to be able to undock and play the game you want. Your statement is the way it actually is: everyone does get to undock and play the game they want. The part you don't like is the fact that sometimes those people do things that you don't want them to do. Guess what? That's what it means to be in the sandbox. You're looking for an Eve that lets you go into your own private little world where no one is able to come and bother you. That's not a sandbox, that's WoW.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#58 - 2014-06-17 16:31:41 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox.


Emphasis mine. What you want from the sandbox and what you say in this statement are completely at odds with each other. What you want is for you to be able to undock and play the game you want. Your statement is the way it actually is: everyone does get to undock and play the game they want. The part you don't like is the fact that sometimes those people do things that you don't want them to do. Guess what? That's what it means to be in the sandbox. You're looking for an Eve that lets you go into your own private little world where no one is able to come and bother you. That's not a sandbox, that's WoW.


Really? I have my own little corner that I can retreat to any time I want

I carved it out myself, and it can't be taken away

You can make your own sandcastle

Sure it can be kicked over, but someone has to be bothered coming and doing that first

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-06-17 16:34:23 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from.

So riddle me this, what if people don't want to PvP? What if you came from a TT like Traveler and your favorite profession was courier or smuggler? What if the point of those professions was to avoid conflict?

People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox.



I second this.. you should be able to do what you want in a game you paying to play and not everyone wants to pvp all the time. But if you not happy with this sandbox.. go find another one, that is how people show dissatisfaction, with their feet and their wallets. I used to enjoy the occasional lazy day of mining, but thanks to CCP's support of bullying, griefing etc it is no longer possible, so to follow what I said earlier I have cancelled 5 subs to go and do it elsewhere. I still enjoy eve.. just a lot less as my choices are now restricted.
I am not mad, angry or anything else.. I have just chosen to spend my cash on something I can enjoy when I don't want to be harassed and I am pretty sure I am not the only one.. but CCP have from me lost $75 pm for possibly ever for the sake of how they choose to run their sandbox.. its business.. its their business.. YOU have a choice.. make it and move on.


"What if the point of those professions was to avoid conflict? "
Hey, guess what, we have professions like that. They're called mining or hauling or industry or trade. The point is to avoid pvp. That doesn't mean other players have to let you do so. There's a reason the ships used for these aren't strong combat ships. If you and to participate in anything in eve that involves avoiding pvp, then LEARN TO AVOID PVP. Don't come whine to us on the forums because its too hard to hit d-scan, work with others for scouts, or use the mwd-cloak trick.

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Mochalatte
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#60 - 2014-06-17 16:46:10 UTC
There has been many a great point in this thread. I think everybody to their own way is correct. I think the OP is correct in thinking the PVE is crap and it hits a pretty bad dead end (not a secret). Those that tell him to explore other parts of the game are also correct.

Maybe by design the rest of the PVE is crap, to push PVP even more on pilots?