Missions & Complexes

Run combat sites.

I have an alt in cas, and they were discussing "baby killing" or killing new players, and I mentioned that I'd killed one of the convo participants in Vale. She'd gone through a WH, grabbed 3 relics, then gone back through it again the next morning and got caught in a site by my taranis.

In the end she'd grabbed 80m of loot in 40 minutes with an imicus, then got a little greedy and come back the next day for more. Put rats in the sites and you can forget new players going to deep null and making (relative to their highsec earning potential) big isks with frigates, and you can forget about the players playing the monster, both of which are obvious design goals of the current system, and obvious successes that I can only congratulate CCP on achieving.

All that will happen if rats are put in, is that there will only be cloaky tengus, and there will be no combat between players, and new players will return being more frightened of null than they are greedy for the rewards.

In Odyssey we doubled the frequency of drops. In Kronos we made the frequency of drops 70% of the value they were in Odyssey. The amount of items of any type that might drop was left unchanged. We actually left blueprint drops doubled.

So in pre-Odyssey terms in Kronos there is on average more items per site but more explorers so more sites being run and more items being sold so the value of each item is less. If you were about exploring post-Odyssey you'll remember values for exploration items dropped off a cliff after the expansion.

Hacking attempts have gone up from around 65k a day to just over 100k a day at the moment. So there are quite a few more people out exploring just now.

ETA: Loot table balance in general for exploration is something we definitely need to look at.

Well to be perfectly honest there is nothing that you can do to balance the loot from relic and data sites aside from completely changing the meta of the game, e.g. re-balancing the ships in such way that the player driven prices of the items dropped from those sites become equal in value. As we stands some ships are more preferred than others so they are in greater demand and the materials linked to their production are more expensive.

If you add more items the prices will drop in few weeks and if you remove some the prices will go up. So it is all the same in the end.

What really annoys the players is that way to often so called TOP tier cans in explorations are empty or have a single piece of carbon or something equally worthless. This is something that you can work on most definitely. I can easily accept that say "rubble" can is empty been the lowest tier, but i really get annoyed when i scan "ruins" and see nothing in them. I had a case today where I found a site with 4 "Ruins" in them. Imagine my disappointment when 2 of those had combined loot of 1 carbon.

Also you can ensure that everything that is in those cans is worth looting considering that usually those sites are run with ships that have limited cargo space. Even the Stratios has only 550m3 for looting. And for explorers that are not in high-sec where there is station in every system having to loot 200-300 of interface materials is not worth it even if some of those have a nice price. So you can consider lowering the volume of those.

And ofc lets not forget about the BPC 90% of witch are not worth looting. Say i am looting the new modules BPCs in hope that you decide one day to add t2 versions and we are to invent from those. But for now they are barely worth the effort and good bless that they have almost no volume

I hope we will see some positive changes on those fronts sooner than later )

Ya think? I literally found one un-hacked date site that had 3 containers... all of them were empty.

Im totally outraged by this crap.

In null i used to make about 30-50m per relic site in the -0.2 space, I just went from Amarr, all the way to the south east border of the entire universe through null doing every single relic and data site i found, losing maybe a total of 5% of the hardest cans to double failures, and at the edge of space after having complete near 20 sites i was sitting with 60m loot ... the data sites used to seem crap but the relic sites made up for it.

I say return that god awful scatter mechanic and with it restore the loot balance we used to have. I do not care about a little cargo hold option and losing a few cans over 90% of my damn profits.

I would actually like to be reimbursed the damn isk i should have for the time / risk / effort i put into that whole journey. But shoot me in the face if that ever happens.

People come to write a petition, it's not normal for a person to learn hacking to lvl 5 and all probed skill at lvl 5 + - and probing in 0 space, to earn a 20-30 M per hour while lidid what benefits the hig sec have the same price and costs just mindlessly place and benefits.
It is unfair.

Therefore, through this link will take you to a website where you could leave your voice to the petition.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4711714#post4711714

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Right now I feel there is an issue with the way sites despawn. In the past if a can was hacked a timer would start for despawn. I'm guessing now that's not the case.

Also, before the patch I'd go into sites and occasionally see empty (on the overview) hacking cans... this meant that someone had hacked the can previously. Now, I don't see that, but rather find cans that are empty or only contain small amounts of non-valuable materials. My guess is that these cans had been hacked before (would have been empty on the overview), but since they display in an identical manner to an un-hacked site it's impossible to tell. Maybe there needs to be a difference between an un-hacked, hacked but still containing items, and empty cans?


Increased variation in skill books and BPCs would be nice. My preference would be a form of loot that would be independent of current markets, similar to what was done with the Guristas Data Sequences from the Mordu's Legion sites or like the overseer effects in DED sites. This would be a way to set a "base value" for sites, without messing with the supply/demand for current market items... and potentially crashing values due to increased drops.


This is why I think there should be several tiers of data/relic sites. Have sites without rats for those in frigs and cov ops ships. Encourage people, as you described, to explore in null for big rewards.

One of my hopes for tiered sites would be to encourage people, especially who would normally fly frigs and cov ops, to eventually move-up to larger ships (Sisters, T3, etc.) to get the increased rewards provided in the more difficult sites. In turn, this will result in increased time when they are vulnerable (fighting rats) as well as increased risk moving around (even if many would be covert/nullified).

Yes, there are lots of options for those who want to shoot at crosses. I think it would be fun to have sites with similar combat difficulties, but also require hacking skills to receive the loot.


I've not really considered the WH data/relic sites when I think about exploration sites... You make strong points there.

I will have to actually check those out... I find them from time to time, but haven't run them. I was a bit jaded by the Digital Plexus due to the "40-50 Guristas" (which my exploration ship has no chance to tank - I guess that shows what sort of "explorer" I am )). I've not tried refitting to something like my DED ship, but will do that the next time I scan one down. I figured the H-PA sites were gas sites, which I've found my exploration ship to really dislike... guess I need to step into the "unknown" (at least to me) and explore more!

its just me or during last dc they increased the general number of sites by a lot?