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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#21 - 2014-06-16 23:09:15 UTC
Runs away from wardecs, asks why there is no pvp
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#22 - 2014-06-16 23:19:56 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Living in WH space isn't possible as I have no idea how to survive sleepers or the onslaught of those who make billions hunting others down.

For many of us who live in wormhole space the last thing on our mind is sleepers.

You can make a lot of monies from shooting them sure, but farming isn't what makes wormhole space the unique and fun place it is. It's all about the cloak and dagger, no local, silently hunting preople and springing some terrifying ganks on those who are there for the sleepers. As one person once posted "There's no other place in EVE where you spend your time worrying about what kind of monster may jump out of the closet at any moment."

Whether you're one of those monsters, or someone trying avoid them, it's a pretty exciting environment to spend your EVE time in. Smile

As for them pesky sleepers, well as soon as you can scan confidently and fly/fit a battlecruiser effectively then you're ready to take them on (at least in lower class holes). Try it sometime !

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#23 - 2014-06-16 23:20:32 UTC
I think you would enjoy yourself more when you set smaller goals.

My first goal in EVE was getting a Hulk. I saw it on the undock the first day I played. It looked great and as soon as I did the mining tutorial I knew what mining was and decided it would be a good start in EVE. I got to a retriever. That died in another goal when I steered it through all kinds of nullsec systems. Not the best ship to start a new adventure with btw. Failed reaching that goal miserably that day.

You seem to understand most of the mechanics. These timers you mention could be indicators to start a new goal. Getting your hands on a ship that uses that skill or skills and figuring out how to properly use it. That may include finding people who can teach you.

Although its not wrong to look to others for some inspiration, I find playing EVE with my own set of goals much more enjoyable. One of those goals being playing a sci-fi game with others in general to be fair. So some of my enjoyment comes "cheap" :)

A good way to gain some inspiration could be joining a big corp that does all kinds of stuff. A container corp for lack of a better word. Ask what they're doing. Can you join in? Try it out. You're already asking people about ideas anyway. Might as well do it while in a cool looking spaceship.

Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#24 - 2014-06-16 23:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Owen Levanth
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Garandras wrote:
People wardec carebear corps like yours for easy kills and the ransom money.

but you just need to change what you are doing, and learn what else.. You could move to NPC null and play cat and mouse while you run missions or sites, you could join a WH group and learn what doing sleeper sites is all about

The action in the game is all pvp based tbh.. from the market to sov its all about gaining the advantage over others.
You just need to step out of your comfort zone and try something new



I think I read that doing missions in nullsec gives you more Isk and LP, but the Null I am next to is owned by the Goons, so no hope in hell for me there lol. In fact, I have to be able to enter nullsec somewhere that isn't bubbled to hell and back and get past their sovereign space apparently. So I guess I am saying I am confused about how to go about this other then me spending hours traveling around the universe looking for possible entry points and then every time I die from Null camps having to travel all the way back to where I left off. Sorry I am not the sharpest tool in the shed lol.


Entering NullSec is easy. Just jump through a couple of wormholes, done. And now CCP is flooding LowSec with a lot more wormholes, especially K-K wormholes. So the chances will be good you can easily find some wormholes leading straight into null. Just go out and fly. (You haven't lived until your week-long trip through NullSec ends in a Russian gatecamp. Lol)

Also, at least in the lower class holes sleepers die easily even to battlecruisers, so I guess they're not so bad, either. M
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-06-16 23:39:45 UTC
There is a lot of fun player made content out there that you can get involved with.

Check out here for some fun things to do. Hell, I was bored and new my gf was going to be out of town so I made my own content. Sometimes you have to go out and find things, you can't expect for some random NPC to come up and direct your life. This is Eve, the sandbox MMO, not WoW. Seriously, put forth some effort and it will be rewarded with some amazing fun people to meet, places to go, ships to explode, and fun to be had.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-06-16 23:43:41 UTC
PVE

The more interesting PVE activities that involve fighting are incursions for the fleet ops and faction war that crosses over into PvP. On the other hand some people get great satisfaction pursuing their own goals with station trading making ISK or grinding standings etc. Other people cannot stand that sort of thing, it depends on the individual.

Wormhole corps can be interesting and give a good mix of PvE and defending your turf PvP but finding a good WH corp can be tricky. Many thrive for a while then die away.

PVP

Faction war is the easiest way to get into PvP from highsec.

Solo PvP .... to be honest 90% of individual player created solo PvP content involves opportunities to be an @ss and harass people in a way you cannot in real life and get "tears". Highsec wardeccing corps and the New Order are just more of the same on a bigger scale. Schoolyard stuff but some people love it.

If you not into that (and it is actually rather sad) you need to look at getting involved with player corps and alliances that create content in a more meaningful way. That will generally mean either joining a highsec connected PvP corp (like RvB, BNI or Eve UNI) or get involved with the shenanigans that go on in null. The only problem with null is you are highly likely to be a small cog in a big wheel and even though you may get to be involved in huge space battles (with ridiculous TIDI) it is hard to get the feeling you personally are "making a difference" sometimes if all you are doing is pressing F1 when told to.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#27 - 2014-06-16 23:45:22 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:

The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills and that just meant we had to play possum cause none of us had a chance to take the dude out.


Why not? Do you need help?
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#28 - 2014-06-17 00:37:20 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from.

So riddle me this, what if people don't want to PvP? What if you came from a TT like Traveler and your favorite profession was courier or smuggler? What if the point of those professions was to avoid conflict?

People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox.
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-06-17 00:54:19 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from.

So riddle me this, what if people don't want to PvP? What if you came from a TT like Traveler and your favorite profession was courier or smuggler? What if the point of those professions was to avoid conflict?

People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox.


Everyone can undock and enjoy the game. You just have to be smart about it and learn how to do it properly. Insta-undocks and cloaky ships are amazing. There's now even a cloaky mining ship to go with the cloaky hauling ship. If anything, this just adds more excitement to what I can only imagine is a supremely boring way to play the game.
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#30 - 2014-06-17 01:05:07 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
perhaps I just lack imagination.



bingo bango!

seriously, CCP has given you more tools than you'll ever need to have more fun than you can ever hope to have and your excuse is that you just can't find it?

it's staring you in the face. are you bold enough to reach out and grab it?

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2014-06-17 01:26:15 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from.

So riddle me this, what if people don't want to PvP? What if you came from a TT like Traveler and your favorite profession was courier or smuggler? What if the point of those professions was to avoid conflict?

People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox.



I second this.. you should be able to do what you want in a game you paying to play and not everyone wants to pvp all the time. But if you not happy with this sandbox.. go find another one, that is how people show dissatisfaction, with their feet and their wallets. I used to enjoy the occasional lazy day of mining, but thanks to CCP's support of bullying, griefing etc it is no longer possible, so to follow what I said earlier I have cancelled 5 subs to go and do it elsewhere. I still enjoy eve.. just a lot less as my choices are now restricted.
I am not mad, angry or anything else.. I have just chosen to spend my cash on something I can enjoy when I don't want to be harassed and I am pretty sure I am not the only one.. but CCP have from me lost $75 pm for possibly ever for the sake of how they choose to run their sandbox.. its business.. its their business.. YOU have a choice.. make it and move on.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-06-17 01:46:11 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
So, getting a wardec automatically means you don't undock? Who told you that, your corp? Have you even tried to fight any of the deccers? Sounds to me like you're just in a shi**y corp. Find better people to learn from.

So riddle me this, what if people don't want to PvP? What if you came from a TT like Traveler and your favorite profession was courier or smuggler? What if the point of those professions was to avoid conflict?

People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox.



I second this.. you should be able to do what you want in a game you paying to play and not everyone wants to pvp all the time. But if you not happy with this sandbox.. go find another one, that is how people show dissatisfaction, with their feet and their wallets. I used to enjoy the occasional lazy day of mining, but thanks to CCP's support of bullying, griefing etc it is no longer possible, so to follow what I said earlier I have cancelled 5 subs to go and do it elsewhere. I still enjoy eve.. just a lot less as my choices are now restricted.
I am not mad, angry or anything else.. I have just chosen to spend my cash on something I can enjoy when I don't want to be harassed and I am pretty sure I am not the only one.. but CCP have from me lost $75 pm for possibly ever for the sake of how they choose to run their sandbox.. its business.. its their business.. YOU have a choice.. make it and move on.


Most of the miners in my mains corp have left because they were older players with families and busy lives and mining suited them because they could do it while minding the kids, cooking dinner and checking work emails. As far as PvP goes they either had no interest in it, or where from flight sim communities and found EVE combat tedious and slow.

Which is fair enough, in the end EVE did not suit them so they left.

There does however seem to be this peculiar idea that once miners try PvP they will love it which is just nonsense. Very few people with the aggressive competitive nature you need to enjoy PvP ever mine in the first place.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-06-17 02:01:51 UTC
Well, there's always nude bunji jumping... Anna Nicole Smith thought so, anyway. Blink

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Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-06-17 02:07:28 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Well, there's always nude bunji jumping... Anna Nicole Smith thought so, anyway. Blink


I can't jump off a bridge with a ship in EVE, :(
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-06-17 02:16:50 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
Well, there's always nude bunji jumping... Anna Nicole Smith thought so, anyway. Blink


I can't jump off a bridge with a ship in EVE, :(


titan bridge ?
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#36 - 2014-06-17 02:28:22 UTC
OP is bored. I'm bored with his whining.

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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#37 - 2014-06-17 03:11:07 UTC
Eve is what you make it...
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#38 - 2014-06-17 03:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nexus Day wrote:
So riddle me this, what if people don't want to PvP?
What if you came from a TT like Traveler and your favorite profession was courier or smuggler? What if the point of those professions was to avoid conflict?

People throw around sandbox as long as they can control the color of the sand. Everyone should be able to undock and play the game they want, if this is truly a sandbox.
Why are you playing a PvP orientated game if you don't want to play a PvP game?

Everyone can undock and play the game they want to play.

Some mine, run missions or AFK their way through Aufay, because that's the game they want to play; others stop them from doing so, because that's the game they want to play.

Welcome to the sandbox.

Cage Man wrote:
I second this.. you should be able to do what you want in a game you paying to play and not everyone wants to pvp all the time.
Correct, you can do what you want in Eve, including stopping others from doing what they want

Eve is a PVP orientated game, PvP is one of the core elements of it . Why are people like yourself shocked when the PvP that Eve is famous for happens to them?

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But if you not happy with this sandbox.. go find another one, that is how people show dissatisfaction, with their feet and their wallets. I used to enjoy the occasional lazy day of mining, but thanks to CCP's support of bullying, griefing etc it is no longer possible, so to follow what I said earlier I have cancelled 5 subs to go and do it elsewhere. I still enjoy eve.. just a lot less as my choices are now restricted.
You can still do all of those things, all you need to do is actually think about what your doing fit a tank, don't be afk, etc
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I am not mad, angry or anything else.. I have just chosen to spend my cash on something I can enjoy when I don't want to be harassed and I am pretty sure I am not the only one.. but CCP have from me lost $75 pm for possibly ever for the sake of how they choose to run their sandbox.. its business.. its their business.. YOU have a choice.. make it and move on.
Their business seems to be doing well enough, Eve is marketed as a dark and dystopian game, it's never going to appeal to the mass market. Nor should it, changing it to appeal to the masses would kill it, being able to ruin somebody else's day is one of its core principles.

I do, however, agree that you shouldn't spend your hard earned cash on a product you find unappealing, that's stupid.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#39 - 2014-06-17 03:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
So I've done career agent missions, worked my way up to level 3 security missions, done distribution missions, improved my standings with Caldari State....

Let me ask you guys a question first off...what the heck is the point of doing a courier mission when millions are required in collateral and they only pay a couple hundred thousand? Why should I even waste my time with these lol. I ask this cause I figure I would try these types of objectives to see if it is interesting and nope...just boring.

The corp I am in got wardec'd by some guy looking for easy kills and that just meant we had to play possum cause none of us had a chance to take the dude out. Is pvp really so scarce that people literally have to wardec or pvp roam just to find some action?

I've been with players who can do security level 4 and make tons of isk off of these and yet I see no real point to these tedious and boring type of gameplay. I've tried to get into the pvp side a little bit but as a new player I get destroyed...

I don't know...I was hoping this game had more depth, but all it seems to have is timers attached to skills that take weeks/months/years to train for just so you can hopefully have some fun in this game. Shocked

I read that some chick online decided to become a pirate and managed to go out and see several big battles...yeah I haven't seen anything at all like that lol. Every single way I look in this game something is going to take me a ton of time to do, or perhaps I just lack imagination. But bounty hunting is pointless as you only get 20% of the worth of the ship and yeah that stinks... Living in WH space isn't possible as I have no idea how to survive sleepers or the onslaught of those who make billions hunting others down.

Perhaps I just want pve content that guides me and I am too used to that... But where is the action in this game?


This is an example of someone who lacks the patience that EVE requires (as well as the imagination) who then blames EVE for 'not having enough depth'.

I would hazard to guess that you are also an MMO player (you can tell when someone comes in from a 'standard' mmo, the FIRST thing they complain about is the skill system).

The bolded parts are the big tells though.

As a new player you are supposed to die all the time, a lot. Dieing teachs you that EVE isn't Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica where an individual ship is the center of the universe. The ships are tools, spend them to get the job done.

The underlined part is IMO your biggest problem. EVE requires a certain mindset. You have to be the type that can make friends. The type that sees things others would call obstacles as 'challenges'. The type that loses and the loss makes you want revenge rather than maknig you say "screw it, back to {insert name of more forgiving MMO}.

Sort your self out and you will enjoy EVE. don't feel bad if you can't , EVE isn't for everyone.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-06-17 03:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Is pvp really so scarce that people literally have to wardec or pvp roam just to find some action?


Chewytowel Haklar wrote:

Perhaps I just want pve content that guides me and I am too used to that... But where is the action in this game?


You just want to PVE, and you wonder why people are picking fights with you while you ask if PVP is scarce, while you PVE. I'll let that thought process sink in a moment.

While PVP is not really that scarce, you pointed out the fundamental reason why at times it can be, and you were decced. EVE is a PVP game, and by playing it, you consent to being PVP'd.

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