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[Bank] Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

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Adunh Slavy
#21 - 2014-06-15 22:05:00 UTC
Nicholas Chrysus wrote:

I'm not trying to deter investors, I'm simply not willing to perform the steps you would require for you to trust my business.


That is just too funny. You should run for office, there are plenty of people that fall for that sort of non-sense.

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#22 - 2014-06-16 00:47:47 UTC
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#23 - 2014-06-16 05:46:11 UTC
Nicholas Chrysus wrote:
Posting with my main would do absolutely nothing for the business, beside ensuring that there were at least a few people who would make it their life's mission to ensure it's failure. Since at some point we are all nobody, and since we've seen well established players scamming, it seems it would make little difference what persona I choose to use. If I were posting with a 10 year old character here, I'd still be getting the exact same feedback, so what difference does it make?

I'd say it has the potential to make at least some difference.

Funny thing is, when I read your first post about this my initial thought was: "look, the Gov'nor rolled a new alt"... and your verbosely refusal to post with your main somehow doesn't make it better. P
Nicholas Chrysus
Xybercon Laboratories
#24 - 2014-06-16 07:59:05 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Nicholas Chrysus wrote:
Posting with my main would do absolutely nothing for the business, beside ensuring that there were at least a few people who would make it their life's mission to ensure it's failure. Since at some point we are all nobody, and since we've seen well established players scamming, it seems it would make little difference what persona I choose to use. If I were posting with a 10 year old character here, I'd still be getting the exact same feedback, so what difference does it make?

I'd say it has the potential to make at least some difference.

Funny thing is, when I read your first post about this my initial thought was: "look, the Gov'nor rolled a new alt"... and your verbosely refusal to post with your main somehow doesn't make it better. P
Understandable point of view and perhaps it would help some, but it's more likely to make it more difficult to run my industry since I rely on running a pos and running my own freight, and that reliance will only increase. I'd rather that I keep my main and traders in the situation they are where I can continue to run my business as I always have and have this business separate. As this guy never undocks I don't have to worry about any issues like that.

I understand that it might put some investors off and that's just something I'll have to live with. It certainly doesn't seem to be putting everyone off, and I'm happy to grow as a small business.

Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

The new savings bank for EVE online.

slickboy Danny
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-06-16 11:17:09 UTC
invested 50 mil in this guy, to check how it would pan out.
have been having bullshit ever since trying to cash out. I call it:
SCAM
Nicholas Chrysus
Xybercon Laboratories
#26 - 2014-06-16 11:27:48 UTC
slickboy Danny wrote:
invested 50 mil in this guy, to check how it would pan out.
have been having bullshit ever since trying to cash out. I call it:
SCAM
I was wondering how long it would be until the first of "these guys" came along. You've not invested a penny, and so far no withdrawal requests have been made by any of the investors. I have no problem if people don't want to invest, they are free to make their own decisions about the validity of a given investment platform, but what you are doing is pointlessly attacking my business.

Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

The new savings bank for EVE online.

Cavalira
Habemus
#27 - 2014-06-16 12:22:06 UTC
Nicholas Chrysus wrote:
slickboy Danny wrote:
invested 50 mil in this guy, to check how it would pan out.
have been having bullshit ever since trying to cash out. I call it:
SCAM
I was wondering how long it would be until the first of "these guys" came along. You've not invested a penny, and so far no withdrawal requests have been made by any of the investors. I have no problem if people don't want to invest, they are free to make their own decisions about the validity of a given investment platform, but what you are doing is pointlessly attacking my business.


Only your API can verify that. You should honestly give it out.
Nicholas Chrysus
Xybercon Laboratories
#28 - 2014-06-16 13:04:15 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
Nicholas Chrysus wrote:
slickboy Danny wrote:
invested 50 mil in this guy, to check how it would pan out.
have been having bullshit ever since trying to cash out. I call it:
SCAM
I was wondering how long it would be until the first of "these guys" came along. You've not invested a penny, and so far no withdrawal requests have been made by any of the investors. I have no problem if people don't want to invest, they are free to make their own decisions about the validity of a given investment platform, but what you are doing is pointlessly attacking my business.
Only your API can verify that. You should honestly give it out.
And that would expose the identities of my traders as well as the identities of other investors. No matter how many times people try to claim that I'd be better off exposing information that can be used to attack the business, I've already made that decision. Down the line, once I'm happy that the initial wave of people trying to destroy the business for a laugh is over, I may choose to expose the name of my main (just for ease of forum posting if nothing else) but API details will never be released.

It should be evident enough that this guy is lying, since the bank has been running for less than 24 hours and turnaround time on withdrawals are up to 48 hours. Even if he had invested and had requested a withdrawal, it not being completed would not be unexpected.

I was expecting the forum to be pretty much solely a source of attacks and trolling however since that's pretty much what every thread ever has turned into, so it's already taken into account as part of the business plan. Since this is not a scam and never will be a scam, I don't have to worry about anyone providing any solid evidence of it being one, I'll just have to deal with people like this, which I can accept.

Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

The new savings bank for EVE online.

Isaac Schwartz
Caldari State Venture Capital
#29 - 2014-06-16 13:11:30 UTC
McMorris is that you?
Nicholas Chrysus
Xybercon Laboratories
#30 - 2014-06-16 13:21:07 UTC
It is not...
Did I roll this out at the totally wrong time or what?

Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

The new savings bank for EVE online.

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#31 - 2014-06-16 14:22:09 UTC
How do you plan on sustaining 4% interest on deposits? As most in eve already know, profits and capital growth are not linear. A good read here could be "a post made by Tornsoul discussing the glass ceiling thread. Where not a single person could come up with a sustainable 1% return on 1 trillion isk. How do you plan to overcome that problem?

Regarding your API, you can create limited view access on your corporation key that would only show deposits and does not reveal any other information. This way you can prove that "slickboy Danny" never made a deposit.

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korrey
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-06-16 15:16:06 UTC
I, for one, think this sounds shaydeh. Smile
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#33 - 2014-06-16 15:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Myriad Blaze
Nicholas Chrysus wrote:
Did I roll this out at the totally wrong time or what?

Maybe...

In light of your question I assume that you aren't a MD regular.
So may I direct your attention to this thread about a notorious enterprise that closed its doors two days before you came in. At least it's entertaining to read and it might explain why people are even more sceptical towards a new bank than usual.
Nicholas Chrysus
Xybercon Laboratories
#34 - 2014-06-16 15:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicholas Chrysus
Grendell wrote:
How do you plan on sustaining 4% interest on deposits? As most in eve already know, profits and capital growth are not linear. A good read here could be "a post made by Tornsoul discussing the glass ceiling thread. Where not a single person could come up with a sustainable 1% return on 1 trillion isk. How do you plan to overcome that problem?
For the time being a 4% return has been decided as that is what I could reasonably sustained for a few months even if I were to for some reason have 0% income. Once the bank is a little more stable, the interest will vary based on projected interest for the coming months, to ensure the float can sustain the interest. If I were overachieving on trade, the interest rate would rise as the float grows, and if I were to underachieve the interest rate would fall as the float shrinks.

As time goes on and I reach limitations on what I can reasonably achieve I'll need to find further ways of generating income, which will lead off with collateralised loans and branching out to trusted industry partners who would essentially be taking partially collateralised loans.

It may be that a ceiling will be reached where the float will no longer be able to be sustained, and at that point I would consider speaking to some of the investors about the possibility of reducing their balance, but that would be an absolute worst case scenario, and is beyond the projected scale of the bank. The idea is that it's a consumer grade bank, more suitable for individuals with smaller balances that behemoth investors with hundreds of billions to invest.

Grendell wrote:
Regarding your API, you can create limited view access on your corporation key that would only show deposits and does not reveal any other information. This way you can prove that "slickboy Danny" never made a deposit.
I could, however that would reveal other investors as well as the names of some of my traders and other alts that I've been using to test the system over the last few weeks. Once I've finished training up my independent haulers and industrialists (so I will know they aren't linked to my main) and can release my mains identity it will be less of an issue to reveal API keys to trusted players (like yourself). For this particular instance, it's pretty obvious that it's a hoax since it's too soon after launch to have waited the withdraw period, but in the future I'm just going to have to take situations like that on the chin and work on through them.

Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

The new savings bank for EVE online.

Nicholas Chrysus
Xybercon Laboratories
#35 - 2014-06-16 15:59:02 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Nicholas Chrysus wrote:
Did I roll this out at the totally wrong time or what?
Maybe...

In light of your question I assume that you aren't a MD regular.
So may I direct your attention to this thread about a notorious enterprise that closed its doors two days before you came in. At least it's entertaining to read and it might explain why people are even more sceptical towards a new bank than usual.
I'm a regular reader occasional poster, I just was not aware that McNorris had closed. I've pretty much ignored that thread since it's creation and I don't tend to look back at threads I've already disregarded. A definite error in judgement there admittedly. Not much that can be done about it now though except rolling on.

Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

The new savings bank for EVE online.

Scion Lex
LEX Investments
#36 - 2014-06-16 18:18:08 UTC
...an error in judgement. If you consider that an 'error in judgement' then your scam must be amazing.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#37 - 2014-06-17 04:50:31 UTC
Do you know what's really savings made simple?

The wallet.

yes

Nicholas Chrysus
Xybercon Laboratories
#38 - 2014-06-17 06:38:29 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:
Do you know what's really savings made simple?

The wallet.
That one's been done on page 1, and the interest rate on the wallet is terrible.

Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

The new savings bank for EVE online.

Professor of Economics
Interstellar Kredit Redistribution Agency
#39 - 2014-06-17 14:57:00 UTC
I've just put in 2m in the bank, just to test it out.

Everything checks out, he actually has a back-end control panel for the investors rather than just some fluffy website.

Here's a screenshot:
http://puu.sh/9xA5B/14149e4af5.png
Derp Durrr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-06-17 18:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Derp Durrr
Ah, there you are. Spamming Jita local.

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