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Is EVE Online the "Top Hardcore MMORPG"?
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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#61 - 2014-06-15 23:49:25 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
Its video games. Truly none of it is hardcore. Try mountain climbing.


Ow

You nearly hit me with the size of that e-peen, buddy

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#62 - 2014-06-16 00:02:45 UTC
Ursula Thrace wrote:
i've never played everquest, but was it considered a hardcore game? from my understanding, it was the first mmo geared towards the masses, but never heard anything about it being hardcore. any former players want to explain what it was like?
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I see that the MMO community at large still equates "pointless grind" with "hardcore".

No it was certainly hardcore, at least early on. Not just the grind, but the environment. I played at launch and for about six years on the live servers. They watered it down heavily, so it is nothing like it was early on. imo EQ1 died long ago, or was assassinated by the current monstrosity.

But early on, the environment was seriously hostile, very unforgiving. I mean not only were you forced to group for most things worth a darn, but even trying to travel through the world you were best to have company with you. And getting completely lost in the game world was a natural part of the game, completely and utterly lost with no idea how to get to where you want to go or even where you are at. And if you died, you could lose your equipment, you would often need help to find your corpse. And you would see your corpse quite often, especially by traveling, since about everything could move faster than you unless you had a travel buff (e.g. spirit of wolf etc) which often would wear off long before you reach your destination.

It was all hardcore-mode, nothing like most of the casual-style games today. And that was just the regular servers, the RP server was even a bit harder. Then there were the pvp servers, but I never got into those, I was already getting my pvp fix from UO while playing EQ1. But the EQ1 environment early on? oh man that was good stuff.

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Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2014-06-16 00:02:46 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
Its video games. Truly none of it is hardcore. Try mountain climbing.


Ow

You nearly hit me with the size of that e-peen, buddy


No epeen. Just think an argument about which game is 'hardcore' is silly.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#64 - 2014-06-16 00:04:58 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
Its video games. Truly none of it is hardcore. Try mountain climbing.


Ow

You nearly hit me with the size of that e-peen, buddy


No epeen. Just think an argument about which game is 'hardcore' is silly.



Yeah, but now you are opening it up to a whole new level of silly.

There will be a milvet in here in a minute to tell you that mountain climbing doesnt beat holding off insurgents in Iraq or something

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#65 - 2014-06-16 00:08:33 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
Its video games. Truly none of it is hardcore. Try mountain climbing.


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Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-06-16 00:16:45 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
Its video games. Truly none of it is hardcore. Try mountain climbing.


Ow

You nearly hit me with the size of that e-peen, buddy


No epeen. Just think an argument about which game is 'hardcore' is silly.


I've made my way up a lot of tough climbs in my country, a few of them sans equipment. I still feel the burn right in my heart when the last bit of structure disappears and my ship is gone from the screen.

I think it's apples and oranges.

I think quite a few EVE players have seen combat, and been in the s***. I don't think this prevents them from appreciating how difficult and harsh the game can be.

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Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-06-16 00:17:48 UTC
Not saying EVE isn't good or why would I play, I just think throwing around 'hardcore' for a videogame is unwarranted.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Rende Crow
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#68 - 2014-06-16 00:35:42 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
I just think throwing around 'hardcore' for a videogame is unwarranted.


Have you ever seen the Korean StarCraft 2 tournaments? They are VERY hardcore. Just because we play a game does not make it not hardcore.
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2014-06-16 00:45:52 UTC
Rende Crow wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
I just think throwing around 'hardcore' for a videogame is unwarranted.


Have you ever seen the Korean StarCraft 2 tournaments? They are VERY hardcore. Just because we play a game does not make it not hardcore.


Its pushing buttons in an often A/C controlled room.

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Rende Crow
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#70 - 2014-06-16 00:59:07 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
Rende Crow wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
I just think throwing around 'hardcore' for a videogame is unwarranted.


Have you ever seen the Korean StarCraft 2 tournaments? They are VERY hardcore. Just because we play a game does not make it not hardcore.


Its pushing buttons in an often A/C controlled room.


Sounds like you don't have much competitive gaming experience...
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#71 - 2014-06-16 01:49:09 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Bloody Slave wrote:
Hi guys and gals, I was missing you all.

I'm ashamed of not being that loyal customer I would like to be, and here I am, again, playing the game I love since 2006. This time was a 6 month break and I would like to share what I saw yesterday in MMORPG.com:

The List: The Top 5 Hardcore MMORPGs

I didn't play the other games on the list but I agree with him about EVE and was one of the things that made me look for my account management page and reactivate my subscription.

But the fact is:

I really love this game, no matter family/friends/medical advice to avoid it, joke, no medical advice (yet)... I have to say, honestly, I was worried with CCP layoffs on Atlanta but knowing that the focus is back on EVE is very comforting.

I don't know if my signature is showing as this is the 1st post after a long time, but I'm ready for the trolls, if they come, and all are welcome to put any additional thoughts.

Lineage 2 used to put this game to shame when it came to being hardcore.

FFA pvp everywhere outside of towns. No instances no deadsites just massive dungeons with massive pvp at any moment. Death means lost experience (you could delevel). Die to a mob (which most classes could train on to others) and not only would you lose experience but you would also drop items including that super rare +10 item you broke 20 versions of to get. One death could cost you a weeks worth of leveling (not even the bots were max level). Fighting bosses usually involved fighting other parties while fighting the boss. Not to mention castle sieges and stuff. That game was hardcore in ways eve could never imagine.


Ah, the memories. I'd love to see a kid trying to play Lineage 2 these days - it would probably cause a cerebral hemorrhage.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#72 - 2014-06-16 03:14:02 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
I, too, agree with the laser focus on Dust.

Wonder if we might see a Walking On Planets (totally different from Walking In Stations)



Though, every now and then, you do see the "magic pvp arena (ps: only pvp in area tks)" suggestions pop up.



Sigh...

I dislike 'white knighting' but in CCP's defense, they are a business first. So eve vegas was what oct last year? Dust had been out for 5 months. At the time of them saying they were 'lazor focused' and the time they got to fan fest **** changed. That was still 2 months before they decided to end WoD, more then likely what happened, was they looked at the numbers for the end of fiscal year and went 'yea this is not working' so they changed gears. This really never bugged me, i just think they should of done the legion announcement differently. But we will see if they remain focused on the New Eden on pc ip or not in a few months

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#73 - 2014-06-16 08:21:36 UTC
Commissaring is very hardcore. Eve online is the sort of game where your ally might need your space to turn into a rental superpower.

Then again, if you live in highsec well... we all know that's where the real players are.

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#74 - 2014-06-16 09:26:15 UTC
Who cares it's a fun game,
and EvE is as hardcore as you make it.

And for the guy saying you could buy everything with Plex or pvp in cheap fits, well gl with that when you realise you're facing pirate cruisers or something above your level, when you lose a 10m ship in less than a sec then have to refit to lose it again in a sec because 'cheap fits' , if that's your idea of having fun pvp, then by all means go ahead but don't equate it with the game not being hardcore because you avoid 95% of it.

Just because the game offers a lot of playstyles doesn't mean "oh look i'm mining all day this game is easy"..

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2014-06-16 10:19:24 UTC
James Archon wrote:
Sorry to dissapoint you, but atm they are focusing on "EvE:Valkery" and "EvE:Legion". They have not learned from their mistakes, and they will most likly not be able to uphold their New release dates. Welcome back tho :)

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2014-06-16 10:24:31 UTC
Orbit the FC, select the target you are being told, hit F1... if you think this is a hardcore and challenging game you have to be a special kind of stupid. Eve is hard and challenging for the people who create content, which is less then 1% of the people playing. Most of the people who love to praise eve for being hardcore, are just dumb nerds who love the idea of being the nerdiest of nerds.

For 99% of the players eve is not more "hardcore" then any other mmo played on a competitive level, most eve players would get kicked from end game guilds in most other mmo's, because it's required you can think for yourself and if you **** up you wipe the raid, there is no "just do as the FC tells you".

Eve is soooo hardcore, we are the biggest nerds on the internet... woop woop we win at being stupid...

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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2014-06-16 10:32:44 UTC
You see?

Yeah, you that complain about EVE community, about trolls.

There are several posts on this thread and if you read them all you will realize that most disagree, but hey, look at the level and the arguing.

This is all about EVE community and that is what I was missing. As some other folks already said, you can make EVE hardcore or casual and I will dare to say: EVE Online can fit on the list of the best casual games as well. Am I out of my mind? I don't think so but we can only see the colors of our glass lenses.

Either way, hardcore or casual, the only thing that matters is, IMHO, the sandbox aspect of EVE Online.

Thanks all by the insights and thoughts, I'm feeling welcome in the community, as always, and that is damn good.Cool

Fly safe.

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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2014-06-16 10:48:11 UTC
dexington wrote:
Orbit the FC, select the target you are being told, hit F1... if you think this is a hardcore and challenging game you have to be a special kind of stupid. Eve is hard and challenging for the people who create content, which is less then 1% of the people playing. Most of the people who love to praise eve for being hardcore, are just dumb nerds who love the idea of being the nerdiest of nerds.

For 99% of the players eve is not more "hardcore" then any other mmo played on a competitive level, most eve players would get kicked from end game guilds in most other mmo's, because it's required you can think for yourself and if you **** up you wipe the raid, there is no "just do as the FC tells you".

Eve is soooo hardcore, we are the biggest nerds on the internet... woop woop we win at being stupid...


So, basically:

1) Leadership plays a role;

2) Teamwork plays a role; and

3) Communication plays a role.

That is it?

OMG, I'm not feeling that powerful wizard/mage/caster/warrior/whatever that can solo dungeons anymore...

IMHO, 99% of EVE players only know 5% of the game (if that much).

Fly safe.

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#79 - 2014-06-16 10:48:25 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
Its video games. Truly none of it is hardcore. Try mountain climbing.


Ow

You nearly hit me with the size of that e-peen, buddy


No epeen. Just think an argument about which game is 'hardcore' is silly.



Yeah, but now you are opening it up to a whole new level of silly.

There will be a milvet in here in a minute to tell you that mountain climbing doesnt beat holding off insurgents in Iraq or something


Did someone call for a Milvet?

Eve still gives me a shot of adrenaline to the heart even though I know the projectiles heading my way are not real. Its not rock climbing, or the Gulf War (I was there for the first time round), but the fight or flight mechanism still kicks in till my forebrain retakes control.

When I hear people talk about "hardcore" gamers , I usually visualise a 15 to 40 year old, single, unwashed cellar dweller, possibly suffering from ADD or ADHD, low social skills, but excellent hand eye coordination, lack of respect for authority figures, and a poster boy for the OCD brigade when it comes to pimping his gear.

I know. A generalisation that is possibly incorrect, insulting and marginally actionable. I'm old, get over it.

Now. Most eve players I've met, skyped, Teamspeaked, chatted with in local, or indulged with banter on the forums, shot at or been shot at by, are articulate, grounded, in relationships, marginally OCD when it comes to ISK, ok more than marginally, are able to work alone or in groups, are absolute monsters when it comes to finding ways round rules, tolerate authority figures as long as they don't try to be authoritative, and (In EVE, note I said.. in EVE) have questionable morality.

Is EVE hardcore. I don't think it is. I think there needs to be a new term for EVE. Every action in EVE has a consequence ranging from quite bad, to oh crap I forgot to update my clone.

EVE is of Consequence, we laugh in the face of Hardcore.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#80 - 2014-06-16 10:54:28 UTC
Vivec Septim wrote:
Rende Crow wrote:
Vivec Septim wrote:
I just think throwing around 'hardcore' for a videogame is unwarranted.


Have you ever seen the Korean StarCraft 2 tournaments? They are VERY hardcore. Just because we play a game does not make it not hardcore.


Its pushing buttons in an often A/C controlled room.


Sounds like military intelligence to me.

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