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has nullsec finally hit the end?
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Catalytic morphisis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-06-10 08:36:56 UTC
something shall kick off, even if I have to go to fanfest and run around screaming ramblings of the rapture at people wearing my tin foil hat and nothing else!

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#22 - 2014-06-11 17:53:33 UTC
It has to do with the personalities that lead the large alliances.

In eve's null sec golden age you had BOB who would wage war just to wage war. Like Genghis Khan, it was just what they did in game.

After Goonswarm disbanded them and Mittani took over lets just say null sec became much more agrarian. It's what he and his alliance does. Even the burn jita campaign is ribboned with "isk efficiency." A war like maximum damage had not isk efficiency concerns. It was financially not bright but it was fun. Livened things up and helped eve make it to mainstream papers like the new york times.

Of course, the Goon way is how you stay in power. You keep amassing and farming resources and making friends (like goonswarm) as opposed to making enemies and going on risky and foolish wars (Like BOB). But it also makes for a boring game when every "war" is decided before it starts.

Goonswarm said they wanted to ruin the game for everyone else and they are doing a good job. Just not the way anyone thought they would.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-06-11 19:08:01 UTC
As alluring as it is to go "**** diplomacy" and burn down everything for its own sake, the end result is that you lose everything to become content for other people.

See: TEST
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#24 - 2014-06-11 20:09:11 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
As alluring as it is to go "**** diplomacy" and burn down everything for its own sake, the end result is that you lose everything to become content for other people.

See: TEST



This is true. Although I don't think TEST ever was in a position of power where they could decide to make null sec exciting.

BOB is the alliance that had power and used it for exciting, if irrational, wars, instead of farming and resource hording. BOB had a good run but it was not going to last, even if they didn't have a disgruntled director disband them.

BOB brought exciting times for null sec though. Since then null sec has been very rational and bland.

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#25 - 2014-06-11 21:21:21 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
US NullSec is a dumb, boring, stupid mess.

At least on the China server they lose Titans every week and actually fight.

Were i live there is no point in logging in US timezone because there is nobody to pvp against. basically if you want to play eve and pvp log in EU tz.

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#26 - 2014-06-12 16:31:33 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Unlikely for things to change and it will be like this for awhile. There is some excitement in various parts of other parts of null, low, or FW space but as a whole EVE has stagnated.

I hate to say it but EVE is dead or slowly dying. CCP just laid off 46 employees, this year has experienced a big decline in membership (see CSM voter turnout article), most news sites like TMC barely write anything exciting about EVE since there is nothing exciting to cover. Even Jesters blog shut down since there is nothing to write about. #EveisKaput What?


The plethora of threads involving "no reason to fight in 0.0" might be some indication, they are easy to spot if you filter 'locked' topics.

Faction wars gets flamed, but 1 pilot can contest systems and this requires reaction. In 0.0 it requires fleets of hundreds or thousands to achieve even small changes. 90% TiDi Ensues and people wonder why no one in 0.0 is having a war? Because it's boring and tedious.

Until small scale skirmishes and battles in 0.0 are capable of threatening sovereignty, people will spend there time care-bearing and hoping a 10 hour fleet battle at 1/10th speed can be avoided as long as possible.

Meanwhile they join CODE. and other such Hi-Sec activities funded by this carebearing because they have nothing to fight for, no one to fight and no motivation to get into the 10000000th interceptor fleet that they've been in since the interdiction immunity was added and fly directly into another suicide fleet from another alliance.

I'd rather gank freighters and taste tears, wouldn't you?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-06-13 22:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Ahem.... (clears throat)




Once the goonswarm / Band of Brother's thing ended do to shotty Sov mechanics (thx's CCP!), which was a feud over both ego and at the time the most epic region of null sec, CCP then thought that it would be a good idea to "rebalance" null sec. Epic long story short.... the net effect of this was that all of null sec becomes extremely valuable.



What does a (mostly) uniformly valuable null sec--or let's say close enough for arguments sake-- get you? Stagnate, lazy, fat and bored eve players. But even better you get EULA breaking ISK sales on the internet. Despite the easy availability of PLEX in game, if you google anything along the lines of Buy ISK you get close to 1,000,000 hits.


So not only are the null sec sheep getting lazy and bored, they are all unknowingly (or perhaps not so unknowingly) being led by leaders who are banking real money. That real money is dependent on under the table negotiations that help keep the status quo in null sec for the sake of real life profiteering.





So as our beloved devs continue to pretend like this is not happening, real people get to buy boats and set down payments on new houses (all with money that the IRS cannot tax.)




And Why Is So That Bad Hmmm.... let's see...

All the while... EVE's seemingly stable subscription base is becoming more and more buffed by "the power of two". In other words how many people do you know have 1 alt? 2 alts? In null sec... 5,7 or 10 alts? If CCP did not keep such a tight lip on overall subscriptions one might easily see that 1/4 to 1/3 of all people online are in fact... alt's.




So the current faggotry seen in null sec is actually a symptom of a much larger phenomena. And no EVE is not dieing, because to many people in null are making real life coin. Eve is simply... losing it's luster.




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Alternative Splicing
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#28 - 2014-06-13 22:55:19 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Meanwhile they join CODE. and other such Hi-Sec activities funded by this carebearing because they have nothing to fight for, no one to fight and no motivation to get into the 10000000th interceptor fleet that they've been in since the interdiction immunity was added and fly directly into another suicide fleet from another alliance.


This, very much so. However, this too will stagnate as they become fatted and bored after a hundred or so freighters. While CODE. et al. definitely does god's work, people will grow hungry for wild game, for the thrill of the hunt, and the sting of battle. Shooting dodo birds all day gets boring too.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#29 - 2014-06-14 02:27:19 UTC
Eternum Praetorian

I'm pretty sure mittani is making more money legitimately from the ads on his blog, where people want to read and post super serious articles on internet spaceships, than he would from any sort of eula breaching isk sales.

Legitimate plex already brings in allot of isk - plenty for most players. I really don't see why there would be much of a market to what save 2 dollars per billion isk or something?

But I admit I really don't know, and there are allot of dumb people in the world. Do you have any actual evidence this is happening?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-06-14 02:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Cearain wrote:
Eternum Praetorian

I'm pretty sure mittani is making more money legitimately from the ads on his blog, where people want to read and post super serious articles on internet spaceships, than he would from any sort of eula breaching isk sales.

Legitimate plex already brings in allot of isk - plenty for most players. I really don't see why there would be much of a market to what save 2 dollars per billion isk or something?

But I admit I really don't know, and there are allot of dumb people in the world. Do you have any actual evidence this is happening?


Yes, but nothing that would appear to be more than forum hearsay from your perspective, and understandably so. The only (and best) evidence you really need is googling "buy eve online isk". Unless you think that CCP is creating all of those websites as a tactic to bait and ban pilots who access them, then it begs the question.... who is funding them?


Large alliances and in game ISK Tycoons that live in them.
IMO, finding an alternative explanation is not so easy. How else are all of those websites there?

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Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-06-14 05:11:30 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Saying that there isn't anything in nul is especially odd, seeing as the nul blocks have been deployed in one form or another for the majority of the last year.

Sorry to disappoint but that level of constant activity isn't the usual. 6VDT and BR5R can't be going on every week even with limitless resources.

Botlord accords not withstanding it will shake up again when there has been a catalyst to disrupt things and the rest and will to get back to it on all sides. Until then expect boarder skirmishing and the occasional proxy war.



The Chinese server has people not being little school girl bitches and dropping titans almost every week. Our server is much older and as such should be much better funded. So why could that content not happen every week?

Besides, let's clear the air. Why on earth has nullsec become the place where you make the most ISK, but you as a player can't be bothered to fly a ship unless you know it's going to be 100% replaced? How pathetic have nullsec players become.

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Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-06-14 05:31:37 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
Unlikely for things to change and it will be like this for awhile. There is some excitement in various parts of other parts of null, low, or FW space but as a whole EVE has stagnated.

I hate to say it but EVE is dead or slowly dying. CCP just laid off 46 employees, this year has experienced a big decline in membership (see CSM voter turnout article), most news sites like TMC barely write anything exciting about EVE since there is nothing exciting to cover. Even Jesters blog shut down since there is nothing to write about. #EveisKaput What?


The plethora of threads involving "no reason to fight in 0.0" might be some indication, they are easy to spot if you filter 'locked' topics.

Faction wars gets flamed, but 1 pilot can contest systems and this requires reaction. In 0.0 it requires fleets of hundreds or thousands to achieve even small changes. 90% TiDi Ensues and people wonder why no one in 0.0 is having a war? Because it's boring and tedious.

Until small scale skirmishes and battles in 0.0 are capable of threatening sovereignty, people will spend there time care-bearing and hoping a 10 hour fleet battle at 1/10th speed can be avoided as long as possible.

Meanwhile they join CODE. and other such Hi-Sec activities funded by this carebearing because they have nothing to fight for, no one to fight and no motivation to get into the 10000000th interceptor fleet that they've been in since the interdiction immunity was added and fly directly into another suicide fleet from another alliance.

I'd rather gank freighters and taste tears, wouldn't you?



It wasn't that way after the sov changes happened, I FC'ed for Chaos Theory Alliance out in the Provi block fight club areas. That was exciting nullsec. PVP every day, roaming gangs 23/7, no real cloaky camping (except for CVA bc they're fucktards who wanted their space back). We all had a handful of systems for the alliance to use, and almost every alliance system was upgraded and used daily. That was how all of nullsec should be. There was none of this having 40+ systems that see more neutral traffic than traffic by the actual owning alliance and are never upgraded since they just aren't used, or today's rental world where half of nullsec is being used by carebears.

Alas, since all nullsec space was now good, some bigger entities came in and pushed all the smaller alliances out, and sure enough that space got boring again. Nothing needed thousands of people in the past and it still doesn't require thousands of people now. The problem is no one bothers showing up for the initial reinforcement or second timer because they don't mean anything because you can just game tidi by loading up the system 12 hours early with 2k people with drones deployed and make it nearly impossible for the other side to enter.

The point is, nullsec just sucks. It's the worst place to be in EvE. It almost made me stop logging on before I moved back to FW. Love me some daily content every day, every hour in FW!

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#33 - 2014-06-14 17:22:57 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
As alluring as it is to go "**** diplomacy" and burn down everything for its own sake, the end result is that you lose everything to become content for other people.

See: TEST


The point of NullSec isn't to have enduring player Empires though.

NullSec is supposed to be a huge conflict driver. Conflict = a boon for the economy.

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princess minervia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-06-15 02:49:04 UTC
thetwilitehour wrote:
What makes you think we aren't setting up for the real war, against high sec?


You mean you haven't started already? All the alt-corps with 10, 20, 30 war decs running in hi-sec all at the same time aren't being funded by you?

I'm shocked. I figured this was your grand scheme to kill off hi-sec casual players and small corps once and for all.

Too bad it seems like it is taking the rest of Eve with it.....
Wu Jiaqiu
#35 - 2014-06-15 04:37:35 UTC
Here's a crazy idea... What if Titans / Supers need a certain amount of fuel or moon goo to even operate? And then, make the fuel scarce enough that even a large alliance could only viably use a smaller number of them at a time.

Anything to relieve the entrenched and bunkered up powerblocs and make room for the smaller guys out there.
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-06-15 06:43:37 UTC
Amelia Carac wrote:
I notice no one is going to war anymore, now that the power house big blocs are in, they all seem content to just leave eachother alone and not go to war, has nullsec finally hit the end to where u are a pet for a big bloc if u want anything to do with nullsec sov, or will these power blocs ever go to war with eachother like real invasion war.


There's plenty of fighting in null. A lot of it isn't very fun though. Hopefully something will change fighting from the single blob aiming to deliver an alpha that breaks the enemy tank/reps.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#37 - 2014-06-15 07:50:56 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
CCP is focusing on new player experience and forget older players, so kind of yes, EVE is dying but only for older players because CCP does not bring new content for them.



There are lots of reasons for this. To extrapolate this to real world politics asking goons to have a civil war is like trying to start a civil war in europe or the USA. It's a possibility but the only way to do it would be to pressure just one part at a time and make them feel detached from the main body. If you could imagine having an invasion on Alaska and no military support comes from mainland USA - after enough time of successful defense and still paying taxes wouldn't you too feel like maybe you didn't need their help? Convoluted example I know but probably not outside the realm of reality.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-06-15 08:33:43 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
As alluring as it is to go "**** diplomacy" and burn down everything for its own sake, the end result is that you lose everything to become content for other people.

See: TEST

this is a game after all. It is supposed to be fun.

For repeatative boring riskless stuff welcome to RL

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Mass Doe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-06-15 12:30:42 UTC
Come to V3 and tell me there is no content.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-06-15 14:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Cearain wrote:
It has to do with the personalities that lead the large alliances.

In eve's null sec golden age you had BOB who would wage war just to wage war. Like Genghis Khan, it was just what they did in game.

After Goonswarm disbanded them and Mittani took over lets just say null sec became much more agrarian. It's what he and his alliance does. Even the burn jita campaign is ribboned with "isk efficiency." A war like maximum damage had not isk efficiency concerns. It was financially not bright but it was fun. Livened things up and helped eve make it to mainstream papers like the new york times.

Of course, the Goon way is how you stay in power. You keep amassing and farming resources and making friends (like goonswarm) as opposed to making enemies and going on risky and foolish wars (Like BOB). But it also makes for a boring game when every "war" is decided before it starts.

Goonswarm said they wanted to ruin the game for everyone else and they are doing a good job. Just not the way anyone thought they would.



Holy ****, this guy is a genius.
And suddenly, it all makes sense!


Add this to my prior post and there you go. EVE's current state in a nutshell and it's reasons for being so. Dev's... did you like when EVE was in the new york times? We sure did. Maybe you should work on some content that would make the game great again before star citizens get's completed. Just saying....



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