Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, lets take a look at Frigates, shall we?

We have:

Combat (Assault Frigates, Stealth bombers)
E-War (Electronic Attack Frigates)
Tackle (Interceptors)
Exploration (Covert Ops)
OMGWTFBBQSPLOSION (Stealth bombers)
Other (T1 frigs)

What we are missing is logistics capacity in a frigate... now, is this really needed...? Perhaps, perhaps not. I know I, personally, find super-fast wolfpacks to be hella fun (half dozen AF's with a few EAF's = fun times had by all while out hunting solo targets). Adding a logistics vessel into the mix would extend the duration at which these fleets could remain out on the prowl.

Gallente: Based on the Navitas hull
Gal Frig skill bonus: 5% Bonus to cargo capacity and 5% reduction to signature radius per level.
Logistics Skill Bonus: 150% bonus to Remote Armor Repair system and Tracking link range and 15% reduction to Remote Armor Repair System capacitor use per level

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to remote armor repair amount

Structure
Structure HP: 750
Max Velocity: 350 m/s
Inertia Modifier: 3.6
Mass: 1.22 million KG
Volume: 11kms
Cargo: 200 m3

Armor
Armor HP: 521 HP
EM Resist: 50%
Exp. Resist: 10%
Kin. Resist: 83.75%
Therm. Resist: 67.5%

Shield
Shield HP: 320 HP
EM Resist: 0%
Exp. Resist: 50%
Kin. Resist: 85%
Therm. Resist: 60%
Shield recharge time: 675,000 seconds

Fitting
PG: 45 MW
CPU: 155 tf
High slots: 4
Medium Slots: 3
Low Slots: 4
Launcher Hardpoints: 0
Turret Hardpoints: 2
Calibration: 400 points
Upgrade Hardpoints: 2

Drones
Drone Capacity: 10 m3
Drone Bandwidth: 10 Mbit/sec

Capacitor
Recharge Time: 195,500 seconds
Capacity: 375 GJ

Targeting
Maximum Range: 54 km
Max Targets: 6
Magnetometric Strength: 11
Signature Radius: 37 m
Scan Resolution: 950mm

The idea is to place it somewhere between an AF and an Interceptor in speed and durability - quick and agile enough to duck in and out of combat with the ability to shrug off one or two hits. The cargo space allows it to carry a little spare ammunition for the frigate fleets it will be supporting. It utilizes bonuses different from its bigger brother, the Oneiros, to provide quick repair ability at the expense of longevity - able to pump out large amounts of armor in a short time at the risk of quickly draining its capacitor, leaving it unable to evade enemy fire. With only two turret hardpoints and no damage bonus it isn't much of a threat while it's limited defenses ensure it must get out of the way before being destroyed.

Obviously, other races ships would be optimized for their patterns.

So, what do you guys think? I'm sure some tweaking is needed... but eh, figured it was a start.

How well used they are depends on how often wolfpacks of small ships are used - part of the idea is that, logi frigates would be cheaper than full sized logi's, as well as faster and easier to fly. This makes them perfect for the training of new wolfpacks (or for flying frigate/dessie wolfpacks) and a great stepping stone to cruiser sized warfare (HAC's, HIC's, and Logis w/ BC's)

Exactly. Honestly, I don't see a reason NOT to implement something like this - in large-scale ops they wouldn't add enough remote rep to really make a huge difference, but used well in small gangs they can be a godsend. Additionally, they could even be used in a quick-deployment scenario (say an important gang or a jump freighter or a carrier or what not) gets jumped by a handful of baddies - one or two guys could hop in one of these and zip there ahead of any rescue fleet to help keep the poor victim alive long enough for help to arrive (yeah, teamwork, woo!)

While though I'm certainly not opposed to the addition of this, and am in fact supportive of it; I feel that the situations in which these frigs are useful are so rare, that there may be better ways to spend time improving the game.

Nice, my reply was ganked... another take on:

Granting Attack Frigates that role would be contraproductive. They're all about offense and damage after all. A Logistics role or bonus wouldn't really work with that, plus it would make it rather hard to "spot" such Logistics.

I'd rather like to see a new line of T2 destroyers being introduced. Right now there's no real use to get T2 destroyers, unless you'd like to go for the interdictor role. By creating a "Logistics Destroyer" you could get a smaller/easier to train Logistics hull, while making Destroyers more attractive and providing a ship that's easier to hit for small and large enemies. Having a tiny ship (i.e. frigate) that you can't hit while it keeps repairing the targets you actually could hit sounds quite unfair in some situations.

Also, on a further note: There are T1 cruisers having a Logistics bonus. People just ignore them most of the time (from what I've seen). If you'd really like to go for Logistics, you could test the waters with one of these, although being not as effective as with the T2, you could still lend a hand as well as see how it plays.

I would like to see something that could spider tank, had an HP bonus, a damage bonus, maybe even a command bonus. Something designed to fight in a group.

Granted, that combination could work for any class ship. And yes, I just described T3. I'm hoping for something like this in T3 frigates.

With frigate speed being what it is, you'd think they'll need longer rep range than large logistics. How much bonus would that be for small rrs?

I'm not opposed to the idea of logistics frigates, but I'd much prefer they fix t1 logistics ships:

Both the Exeq & Osprey have the potential to become great low-cost logistics ships with only minor tweeks.

As for logistics frigates, they need to fit medium RR modules to be effective!

The purpose of logistics is a force multiplier. In a standard fleet battle, one logi ship easily negates the dps of 2+ enemy ships.This has a cascading effect, so that a fleet with a few logis can take on reasonable larger fleets and win. Now, assuming one logi-frigate provides 4 small RR, its range and rep quanitty really limit the the "force multiplier" effect. Essentially 4 Small RR doesn't negate much more than the dps of a single frigate, let alone a destroyer+ class hull.

think he is getting at oh crap just in case of overshoot range in an orbit. Zippy frigate blows the orbit or the ship being repped loses contact with the logi. reps lost at that point. Lots of ways for this to go sour with no range. Mixed prop mods so unequal burns on prop mod spanks. if the logi is autoorbitting , that patient does a crazy ivan to throw of an enemy that logi is getting shaken off too.

Interesting idea all the same. Frig roams with frig logi an idea I could dig. Make them less suicidal to be more attractive anyway.

Before the first release of Eve, and before they came up with gangs (which were before fleets), they had formations. It worked great if all the characters had the same ship and the same skills... which doesn't happen all that often. I think revisiting formations would be worth considering. Something that let T3 ships move together, replacing individual bonuses with a strong roll bonus.

The idea is that short range RR would be fine at these close ranges. Yes, the uniformity would be a bit dull, but also kind of unique to Eve.