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Highsec POS defense, need advice/tips from experts!
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Kaelli
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-05 17:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelli
I'm going to be setting up a research and manufacturing POS. This is mainly for the research but I figured I'd throw some assembly arrays on there as well and it seems to fit 2 science/production characters

1 advance lab
1 normal lab
=19 jobs

then ammo, equipment array/s maybe ship ?

Anyway I know nothing about POS defense and don't want to waste time and money by looking like a sitting duck

Obviously I want to go for a medium to save on fuel and I was even thinking faction medium.

Is defending one of these possible??

In a pos planner I squeezed on 2 of each shield hardener and that's it. Somehow I didn't think this was enough.

I suspect I could fit the same amount of ECM

I don't want to bother with guns, as they can just logi themselves anyway, I just want to make an unnattractive/ annoying target.

So either load up on ECM or Hardeners.

That's as far as I got, any tips?
Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#2 - 2011-12-05 18:11:59 UTC
depends on where you are setting it up. if its in high sec, you dont need ship/ammo arrays. a station is better because you dont have to waste the isk/cpu/pwg. if you have enough standings to reanchor your pos, all you do is take it down if you get war dec, wait for war dec to run off, and place the pos back up again.
Minaxa
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-12-05 18:15:53 UTC
Serial Chi wrote:
If its in high sec, you don't need ship/ammo arrays. a station is better because you don't have to waste the isk/cpu/pwg.


With the new POS fuel blocks you don't have to worry about CPU and PG. It's all the same amount of blocks/hr.

But the rest of the post is true: if you are in high sec just take down the POS if you get wardecced.
Kaelli
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-05 18:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelli
Yeah you're probably right, it's not like I would leave it up anyways. But it's more of a "oh **** I didn't log in for 24 hours and I was wardecced OH NO" kind of safe guard.
Minaxa
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-05 18:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Minaxa
A few ECM batteries will annoy the possible POS bashers to the point they don't care. This article talks about ECM briefly.

If you do decide to anchor weapon systems don't use missiles. They are widely considered crap.
Kaelli
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-12-05 18:25:50 UTC
Minaxa wrote:
A few ECM batteries will annoy the possible POS bashers to the point they don't care. This article talks about ECM briefly.


Thanks a lot, also you said something about not having to worry about CPU and PG, I assume you mean in terms of fuel costs and keeping things online correct? Does it effect what I can fit on there?
Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
#7 - 2011-12-05 18:26:51 UTC
Honestly, I don't worry about it. I have a POS with 4 labs, a component array and an equipment array. I had ECM but never bothered putting them back when I moved.

One of the major things you can and should do is have a corp office in the same system where your tower is going. ALL of your BPOs go there. It's a good habit to get into, not having to worry about which BPOs are worth over a certain amount, or any of that. You can research, manufacture, copy, whatever those BPOs while they're safely in station. I also tend to keep most of my datacores and material reserves in station as well. If someone wants to wardec me, they can kill the tower and modules, but they won't get a lot for it (if I don't manage to pull it down first).

It's also especially true in lowsec, if you're in a system with no stations, and you have labs up, you will be assumed to be a pinata.
Arana Mirelin
Te'Rava Industries
#8 - 2011-12-05 18:28:16 UTC
Kaelli wrote:
Minaxa wrote:
A few ECM batteries will annoy the possible POS bashers to the point they don't care. This article talks about ECM briefly.


Thanks a lot, also you said something about not having to worry about CPU and PG, I assume you mean in terms of fuel costs and keeping things online correct? Does it effect what I can fit on there?


After the fuel block changes go into effect, CPU and PG levels will no longer change the amount of fuel the tower uses, correct. You will still be subject to the PG and CPU limits when onlining modules though.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2011-12-05 18:28:51 UTC
Sounds like a small control tower, which are impossible to defend. Either consider it throw-away, or un-anchor when you get a wardec.

Medium control towers can be lightly defended, or un-anchored. In hisec, EWAR is generally the best defense.

Large control towers are the only ones I'd bother with a substantial defense, as it is usually too much trouble to un-anchor everything.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#10 - 2011-12-05 18:54:44 UTC
Our POS (hi sec) has a ton of ECM that can be onlined (45+ at once, plus some backup), hardeners that can be put online if you start losing the battle, and an assortment of guns/scrams in case you feel like taking down a few ships. A couple of friendly folks in BS can cause havoc for an assault fleet that is being subject to 45 ewar arrays. Minmatar towers also have 50% EM/25% Therm resists, which match up well against the favored weapon of POS bashing - lasers.

Now that CPU/Grid is always maxed, we will also be leaving more defenses online, so ramping up the defenses will be easier, as well
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#11 - 2011-12-06 07:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers.


http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#12 - 2011-12-06 09:16:05 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers.


http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881


Yep. Now there is literally no reason to put defenses on hisec posses at all other than to be a **** to the attacker. I suggest as many ECM modules as you can fit after using the PG/CPU for the stuff you need. Then sit in the tower and laugh.

Then use a decshield. Bear
Kaelli
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-12-06 10:27:49 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers.


http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881


Does this work with the militia? Say the corp joins caldari militia with it's standings. Then leaves, you can join caldari again or amarr? Same effect?
Kaelli
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-12-06 10:42:17 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers.


http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881


Yep. Now there is literally no reason to put defenses on hisec posses at all other than to be a **** to the attacker. I suggest as many ECM modules as you can fit after using the PG/CPU for the stuff you need. Then sit in the tower and laugh.

Then use a decshield. Bear



Does ECM have to go outside the shields?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#15 - 2011-12-06 10:58:25 UTC
Kaelli wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers.


http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881


Yep. Now there is literally no reason to put defenses on hisec posses at all other than to be a **** to the attacker. I suggest as many ECM modules as you can fit after using the PG/CPU for the stuff you need. Then sit in the tower and laugh.

Then use a decshield. Bear



Does ECM have to go outside the shields?


AFAIK Militia doesn't work, ECM goes out of the shields and in thus not recommended (you can time putting a dt between coming out of dec and coming out of RF, but it's a pain.

There is a Decshield Alliance that charges something something like 50mil for the service.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kaelli
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-12-06 11:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelli
RubyPorto wrote:

AFAIK Militia doesn't work, ECM goes out of the shields and in thus not recommended (you can time putting a dt between coming out of dec and coming out of RF, but it's a pain.

There is a Decshield Alliance that charges something something like 50mil for the service.



I think I'll put up a lot of shield hardeners just to be a pain then since they can go inside. I'll be in the militia probably then leave and join the decshield alliance. Sounds like a plan.

I'm not necessarily a fan of immunity mechanics but vOv will use them while they exist like every other loophole that comes up in EVE
Velicitia
XS Tech
#17 - 2011-12-06 12:43:34 UTC
Kaelli wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

AFAIK Militia doesn't work, ECM goes out of the shields and in thus not recommended (you can time putting a dt between coming out of dec and coming out of RF, but it's a pain.

There is a Decshield Alliance that charges something something like 50mil for the service.



I think I'll put up a lot of shield hardeners just to be a pain then since they can go inside. I'll be in the militia probably then leave and join the decshield alliance. Sounds like a plan.

I'm not necessarily a fan of immunity mechanics but vOv will use them while they exist like every other loophole that comes up in EVE



um, if you're joining the militia corp, you're not gonna be able to set up a tower...
Don't bother with faction towers, they're stupidly expensive (multi-billion ISK investments at this point for the larges, I assume small and med are also exorbitantly priced).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Kaelli
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-12-06 12:52:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelli
Velicitia wrote:
Kaelli wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

AFAIK Militia doesn't work, ECM goes out of the shields and in thus not recommended (you can time putting a dt between coming out of dec and coming out of RF, but it's a pain.

There is a Decshield Alliance that charges something something like 50mil for the service.



I think I'll put up a lot of shield hardeners just to be a pain then since they can go inside. I'll be in the militia probably then leave and join the decshield alliance. Sounds like a plan.

I'm not necessarily a fan of immunity mechanics but vOv will use them while they exist like every other loophole that comes up in EVE



um, if you're joining the militia corp, you're not gonna be able to set up a tower...
Don't bother with faction towers, they're stupidly expensive (multi-billion ISK investments at this point for the larges, I assume small and med are also exorbitantly priced).


My corp was going to join a militia for the chat channels, obviously this is all happening when the standings have updated in a week after corp creation. And yeah, I was considering putting up a medium faction to save on fuel costs over the long term, probably should calculate how long it would take to start saving over initial investment.

Edit:

Just checked on faction towers, they are pretty expensive, for some reason I remember them being much less about a year ago, maybe I'm wrong. Not going to pay 750m for a medium.. lol
Kaelli
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-12-06 13:05:02 UTC
Why haven't the POS' fuel cost been updated to the fuel cube things?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2011-12-06 13:07:51 UTC
They're expensive because CCP pulled them from the drop list when POSes became buildable with PI

They havent been updated (where I don't know) because POSes are not fueled by POS fuel bricks.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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