Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The only people fighting for change are the nerf ganking brigade.

Now the reality is that we could throw everything we have in the CFC at high sec and we would fail to blocade a highsec region. It is impossible to do and has been for a very long time.

Wishful thinking, that's not going to change anything.



You mean the stranglehold that you imposed on you yourself? It can be easier to mine, make money and produce in High sec than in 00 sec or Low sec, but that's only the case for as long as there is demand in High sec. Decreasing that demand by living in your home would do a great deal more to draw people out of there into the more dangerous space than any ganking can ever achieve.

But here I am, repeating myself yet again.

I am aware that my ship will always be in threat by ganker, but I want to know math to make my ship appear to least desired target to gank.

I remember there are number for 10 million isk per EHP based on sec rating, and stuff.

So, you think people should just deal with an incredibly under par situation, and hope CCP notices?

You're kidding, right? Should people just fly the goddamn Hyperion, no matter how much it sucks, just to make a point about it?

That's what they do now (as in the last 2 years), because it has become habit to have that for years. As said, that should have been done right at the start. But then there are people like Mittani and other similarly minded people.

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Kaarous Aldurald , please get some fresh air.

As The Mittani is one of the most powerful players in the game, I'd have to say he knows what he's talking about.

By your logic if highsec had concord removed you would have to adapt to change.

If concord is removed then so be it.

But people need time to adapt, and it usually take time.

Right? Because stupid changes should just stay and we adapt.

You're not thinking about the problem the right way, I'll tell you that straight up.

I would. Then I ask my friend what I am doing wrong and/or any helpful tips for getting better. And then I would keep fighting him/her until I do win.

Then I would practice later on to prepare for the next match. Because NO ONE beats me!!! *grinds teeth*


If you do not find yourself in a position where you will be ganked then congratulations... you just won against gankers.

Not all victories are gained through direct confrontation. Sometimes avoiding a confrontation in the first place is a victory in its own right. You do not have to "kill a bunch of gankers" to "win."

Yes... that is an abstract concept, I know.


Here is the list of solutions to being ganked:

- Scout: someone runs a D-scan 1 system ahead of you. If he/she sees something "unusual" at a gate, dock up or find a safespot.

- Webbing Assist: (this is my favorite) All you need is ONE GUY in a Hyena (Tech 2 Ewar frigate) apply 2 webs as soon as the freighter initiates warp. If done right, the freighter warps off in less than 5 seconds. That is not enough time for anything to bump, warp to, or get in firing range of the freighter.
NOTE: We use this for our low-sec freighter runs all the time. We have yet to lose anything.

- ECM Burst: have someone in a Griffin run into the pack of gankers right as they are landing on the freighter. Yes, this person will probably die to CONCORD doing this... but it is only one guy. And the ECM Burst will more than likely jam SOME of the gankers... meaning there will not be enough DPS to finish the job.

- Warfare links: Similar to a scout... except more lazy as you do not have to actively do anything. Gankers will have no idea whether you have one in tow or not... throwing off any calculations they make and potentially botching the gank attempt before it even starts.
NOTE: on average, Warfare links add about 40 to 50 thousand EHP... that is 10 to 15 additional T1-fit gank Catalysts or 6 to 10 T2-fit gank Catalysts (in a 0.6 system).

- Scanner Spam: in addition to your regular cargo, toss in little amounts of small crap. Tobacco, Spirits, Exotic Dancers, etc. If anyone tries to cargo scan you, they will come up with a LONG list stuff they will not want. And remember that the cargo scanner is not entirely accurate. It will usually report only 80% of what is in a ship. Try sifting through a 100 item list of random stuff multiple times. Gankers will just ignore you to save themselves some effort.

- Take the Road Less Traveled: It may or may not add a few more systems to your journey... but you avoid "dangerous routes" this way.
Think of it as taking the "back roads" on a car trip because you don't want to go through high traffic areas that attract crime.

- Fit for Tanking: oh right... there is this option. Tech 2 Reinforced Bulkheads do add a hell of a lot more EHP. But the next point should still be taken into account.

- Cargo Value: unless you are willing to apply some effort in apply the above methods, the best way to avoid being ganked is to simply not carry enough to be worthwhile to gank. It is that simple.
Everyone else (even gankers) has to make tradeoffs in their various professions and freighter pilots are no exception. I do not bling my mission running ship so there is less chance of being ganked... but that means I lose out on greater efficiency and thus more money.

He will never understand, because it in now obvious he is closed to listening and learning.

He has a very small amount of knowledge and as we know, that can be a dangerous thing in certain hands.