Warfare & Tactics

Just a quick stroll down memory lane.

What ever happened to the proposed cyno jammer?

I don't understand how that proposed cyno jammer could have ruined 0.0 alliance logistic since it's only online for an hour.

Now all we get is one that is effective for 100 km.........

Seriously,,,,,this needs to be reconsidered and taken into account.

I agree it would be a great catalyst for small gang pvp. Currently any small gang pvp fc/corp etc. has to keep in mind if they bring out their bling cruisers/battlecruisers or (god forbid) battleships it will be hotdrop o clock sooner or later.

Putting on the tin foil hat I would say the only people NOT BENEFITING from this would be the titan huggers.

Putting on another tin foil hat might I ask what is more important to CCP at the moment:

a: Re invigorating small gang pvp in lowsec without said gangs having to worry about null blocs hot dropping them or;

b; appeasing titan huggers?

correct me if I am wrong but is there another way to look at this? Or am I too paranoid about the collective lobby power of titan huggers?

Umm... This seems trollish. The result is that one side has capitals and the other side doesn't.

Unless you camp a system for 36 hours solid (until a POS comes out of reinforced) then you wont be able to catch a defending fleet dropping a cyno-jammer and bringing in caps to laugh off the sub-cap fleet you will be using to try and finish off the POS.

Or am i missing something?

Jump-Bridge blockers would make more sense. Bringing capitals into losec isn't a bad thing, because there is ALWAYS people waiting to blob a capital with their own caps. But bridging an entire sub-cap fleet into losec is fairly uncounterable considering the ships coming through the bridge have already been replaced before they fire a single shot.

fighting in a plex makes zero difference. it only delays them by 2 minutes cyno offgrid and warp to plex. does nothing. so does the cyno inhibitor.

I always thought as cyno module is fitted on ship Why the cyno jammer is not a module you can fit on your ship to counter the cyno?

instead you have a structure that cost a kardashian'ass , you can't deploy it near a gate or structure ... useless !!
At least increase the range .. or something !

You are absolutely right. Currently, Its hardly doable to roam in a fleet through low in anything bigger then a cruiser. In fact, i would advocate for an outright ban on titan bridges to lowsec. nullsec power projection into low is just rediculous atm...

There is sov in FW. It is obtained and held in a different way*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. let me paste the relevant part for you: Note that it is only anchorable at I-hub uprade level 5, which requires considerable LP donation and needs to be maintained.

CYNO JAMMER

* Bought from FW LP stores as 1 BPC (total cost including manufacturing materials estimated around 100-130m ISK)
* Has only 25% hitpoints of the null-security Cyno Jammer version (thus about 4 million HPs instead of 16)
* Cyno Jammer is launched from the ship cargohold and deployed into space, requires the "config starbase equipment" role (this technically restricts all NPC militia members to launch such a structure - you have to be in an enlisted player made corporation)
* Cyno Jammer requires a spool-up time (5 or 10 minutes)
* Cyno Jammer automatically turn online once spool-up timer has passed, causing its effects to be activated for the specified amount of time
* May only be anchored when proper system upgrade has been met
* Only one Cyno Jammer may be anchored per solar system
* Cyno Jammer needs to be launched near the system Infrastructure Hub (between 5 and 10km)

Working conditions:

* An anchored Cyno Jammer automatically turns online after the spool-up period and works for 1 hour
* Deployed Cyno Jammer is automatically unanchored and destroyed if the solar system upgrade level goes below minimum requirements while it is active
* Deployed Cyno Jammer automatically unanchors and self-destructs once their lifetime has expired
* Cyno Jammers are considered as militia objects and may be shot by the opposing factions without any consequence (neutrals can shoot them but have to take a security status hit)
* Has same effect than null-security version - prevents Cynosural Fields to be created in the solar system as long as it is active

So to actually maintain a perma cyno jammer in system, one would need to pay 100-130M ISK per hour, and people that continuously anchor it. Even then it is not perma as it has a spool-up time. This would create small windows as it is not possible to have 2 jammers anchored in the same time.

Current iteration of Cyno jamming in LS is the mobile deployable cyno jammer, which actually is useful. It doesn't really lock out the system, but it still can act as a deterrent. It has a quite low HP, so it can be taken off field farily easily. I would love the deployable to be more sturdy, so that it cannot be easily alphaed off the field.

I kind of like this idea as well. CCP Greyscale said something like "I want to make lowsec like a back alleyway where nullsec alliances couldn't bring massive fleets to bear as they have no room to maneuver" at FanFest 2013. As long as it only impacts Titan bridges, it could work for most cases except PL dropping 100 archons.

I'm just tired of being Titan bridged from enemies who care nothing about killing me and wouldn't travel 30+ jumps to kill me if they didn't have the titan.

I still prefer the cooldown/system restricted jump idea. Before you lock onto a cyno in a system and jump to it, a special implant in your head has to study a certain area of space (could be a region or X light years from a given point in space.). This process would take serveral hours (4-6?). After it was done, you could lock onto and jump to any cyno in that area of space. Any cyno outside that area of and you couldn't lock onto the cyno and jump. This restriction would apply for both caps and subcaps being bridged ( ie each subcap pilot had to have their implant set tot he include the bridged to system). This would lock people into a fixed area of space for 4-6 hours. This way, null sec folks could still hot drop away from home, but doing so makes them less able to respond to threats at home. It also opens up some strategy to nullsec fights in that trying to lure the enemy fleet away from the true target (ie do something to make enemy caps jump outside the target area and thereby know for a fact that those same caps won't be able to get to the target system for several hours).