Wormholes

This is not a doom thread or tin foil hat thread guys.

I am just posting to get an idea of what everyone thinks about this.

There are many complaints about off grid boosting in safes etc on the forums, the devs have taken them seriously and Fozzie has said that they will be forcing boosts to be on grid in the future.

Now for PVP this I cant say I have an immediate problem with, however a counterpoint would be that it is very easy to scan down a boost ship and kill it so why change anything? Changing something as small as off grid boosting would shake up the way we do sites completely which is perfect for ccp if they are looking at changing PVE in wormholes as its completely indirect.

The main reason I am opposed to this which is one reason I think everyone is not really thinking of is that for site running or even incursions, imagine having an on grid booster paper thin which you would now have to rep in addition to the lokis you already have? The strain on a carrier is already enough and yes you can always use the second archon but the boosts need to be on grid from the beginning don't they? Now imagine solo escalations? well they will be gone too because you will be forced to include an on grid booster which you wont be able to rep if running sites in this way.

I wont go into incursions but this would also affect that.

I just wanted to hash out the basics of it and see what you guys have to say \o/?

Excuse my horrible grammar

I never said I personally do solo escalations, the entire reason I posted this was to get an idea of what people think about it. Solo escalations are not easy nor are normal escalations its easy for the people who do the smaller aspects but much harder for the guys doing more then one thing at a single time.

Either way as I said I appreciate peoples opinions.

escalations are a joke even without boosters.

im for everything that nerfs incursions even a little bit, risk free pile of **** that it is.

and balancing with some solo guy in mind is just stupid

offgrid boosters are both broken and ridiculously annoying, i can get more range with a t2 point than a faction point if i have some guy in a cloaky nullified aligned out in a safespot shitboat in the system providing my ass boosts, and the boosts dont have to be in any danger(and almost never are, its off grid boosts not afk boosts). this means i can fly a 200m ship and fly it like its a much more expensive ship without having to pay **** for it in terms of actual risk.

i love when my friends use an offgrid booster and i am working on saving enough to buy one for myself because i doubt ccp will ever "fix" off grid boosting.

sorry if this comes across as douchy or whatever but i ******* hate offgrid boosts

Possibly the most coherent thing I've ever seen/heard from Van!

I don't think it's at all a big deal though. In all honesty, I'd welcome it. For the most part, it would make PvP much more interesting. Having that on-grid dynamic to boosting will generate some interesting tactics. It's harder to translate 'interesting' to PvE though but there will be workarounds to any problems these changes may or may not cause. There always are.

The boosters wont be paper thin. Sure, they wont be as tough as a site running Loki for those that use them but it's not impossible to make them capable of taking some punishment while still retaining their primary purpose.

Also, it makes more sense for them to be in the thick of it, rather than behind a POS shield (yes, I know you can't do that anymore). It also means that the toon has to played at keyboard rather than logged in and AFK. Eve shouldn't be easy.

While you certainly don't need boosts, getting that web range out past 40k is like a drug: you're hooked the first time you do it.

If you're benefiting the fleet, you should be present with the fleet. It may have an impact on C5/C6 sleeper escalations, but there are ways to mitigate that if you are creative. Maybe you'll need a few more ships, or maybe you'll need to use different ships, but it's far from anything difficult. In theory, that could mean more people, which is a good thing for a multiplayer game. In practice, "solo" players will probably just use more accounts or different ships or just being a little riskier.

The single biggest benefit is to opposing fleets: the booster will likely be tanked like crazy, but if you take it out, then you know you've significantly reduced your opponent's effectiveness. And that goes both ways.

It does seem exploit-y that you can receive benefit from fleet members who are off-grid and not immediately in danger; and I'm including the every day non-bonused squad leader boosts in this as well.

A. Fix link propagation for wing command
B. According to there logic about the mid slot scan mods there would need to be a massive change to how links work as a whole, as larger fleets that would run these brick tanked command ships will begin to heavily favor armor over shield as a link boat uses mids for command processors. Thus letting armor fleets run a full spectrum of links while shield will have to choose which best suit them. Also making armor a much less interesting game play when brought on grid as you are simply an observer and not much else.


Links in there current form should not be on grid even if they are broken in some situations. That said at the end of the day changes should be made to bring them on grid in a better state with more interesting game play.

This is something the Carrier and Dread pilots would absolutely love. Sleepers who primary one target for most of the encounter? Yes please!

Removed some off topic posts.

Do you happen to have a link to where Fozzie said this?

Command processors take up mids, so you wouldn't be able to fit full tank and more than 3 links.