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Opening up low sec...

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Code Redd
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-06-11 21:15:41 UTC
So, today, i come to you with an idea. An idea to open up low sec...

The largest problem with getting people to low sec, and keeping them there, is the pvp. It's not what you think i mean...

It's the Cynos. The 'Hot Drop' that ruins it for the small-time guy.

It doesnt matter how much you love the activity in low sec, the only place it's safe to be in low sec, is a FW complex--because they cant pop a cyno there--you know (via intel, dscan, etc) what you will face, and take it how you please.

The gates, stations, just about anywhere else, at any time, there's probably some one ready to drop a cyno on you. I have seen cyno's, with Titans, dropped on a 3 man catalyst gang ... i have seen a cyno with triage carriers (3 of them!) dropped on a single thorax...

That ruins low sec for people.

I propose a change to Cynos.

Now we have 2 types, the normal, and the cov ops.

We need:
Cov ops.
Frieght.
Null Sec
Empire.

Cov ops would stay the same.

Freight would be for freighters, it would be what a cyno is now (instant, can jump to it without wait, shorter duration, only appears on-grid), but ONLY for jump freighters.

Nullsec would be for null sec, what a cyno is now, but only for null.

Empire <---- THIS is what would be needed to get into low sec.
it would have--a 30 second on-lining timer (puts a green activation ring on the person lighting it, like a deployable), and would deactivate any offensive mods the person has (no points, webs, ecm, etc).

.......

low sec is MISERABLE when you cant do anything, literally even undock a caracal, without being hot-dropped by 65 people.

The game is risk vs reward--a cyno lighter in low sec should have some risk--die in 30 seconds, or let the campers escape.

there is currently NO risk for a hot-drop in low sec. It needs fixed.

The cynos kill low sec.

This is the most mild form of fix i could think of, i had harsher ideas (mass restrictions, etc).
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-06-11 21:21:34 UTC
If someone wants to spend the fuel to drop titans on some destroyers, exposing so many billions to an inpromptu HIC logoff trap or something, they can do as they please in my book.
Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-06-11 21:22:20 UTC
I've lived in low-sec for 5 years and only been hotdropped once. It's not as big of an issue as you think.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#4 - 2014-06-11 21:32:55 UTC
As somebody who has participated in a seemingly random capital hotdrop on very small targets, let me ask you this: how do you know that the capitals weren't on their way to (or through) that system anyways and just looking for some lulz? Every time I've done it, it was a target of opportunity that happened to be in a waypoint/destination system.

Cynos are fine. Risk vs. Reward is fine. If someone drops capitals, everyone in local knows it, and unless they happen to drop on a station, they are sitting ducks for anyone who's got the wits, speed, and manpower to take them down.

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Alternative Splicing
Captain Content and The Contenteers
#5 - 2014-06-11 21:41:39 UTC
While its avoidable enough by avoiding known cyno alts or corps, hotdroppers do low-sec a service by clearing gate camps.

Excessive hot-dropping in low and suicide ganking in hi are both symptoms of a greater disease; nullsec is a stagnant, lifeless world, all the targets and/or content are elsewhere.
Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-11 21:48:36 UTC
Alternative Splicing wrote:
While its avoidable enough by avoiding known cyno alts or corps, hotdroppers do low-sec a service by clearing gate camps.

Excessive hot-dropping in low and suicide ganking in hi are both symptoms of a greater disease; nullsec is a stagnant, lifeless world, all the targets and/or content are elsewhere.


Meh, it's more about lazy pvp'ers. There's tons of content for people willing to go at and roam, generating content for themselves. Hotdroppers are either 1) capital hunting (which is ok i guess), or 2) just people who log on without any actual pvp skill just wanting to whore on kill mails. Titans if used properly are very effective and useful, but just as with falcons, logi, etc gets abused and everyone hates them.
Code Redd
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-06-11 22:20:39 UTC
I dont know how you could live 5 years in low, and be dropped on once... Those whom i fly with, we are dropped within 10 minutes, if we form for a roam outside a station, or sit on a gate for longer than 10 minutes. They're dropped on any time they hold still, and there's not a deadspace or something blocking it. Solo pilots have been blops'd.

Which, i guess, is fine--but, i would like for it to not be so easy to get smothered INSTANTLY by 60 ships.

All i want is a timer for a cyno in low sec, really. And offensive mods shut off (so it doesnt trap a poor stupid soul).

i would have asked for a 500mkg mass limit per level of cyno--limiting a drop to a max of 2 carriers and a few dps (or one titan)... BUT, i realize that you all need to use it for transportation too, and 20 cynos to move a cap fleet would be a pain.

But, i would gladly have the mass restriction as well, and make them use null sec to move capitals (as they should be there anyway!)

99% of the drops i went through, were just bored people. They dont WANT to be in null sec, exposing themselvs to equal, or challenging fights. They log on, drop, kill a dessy, cyno back out--and log out. They're literally alts/cap alts on-call to drop when bored.

if the cyno took 30 seconds to go active, i would bet nearly none of them would ever do it again--because they would have to use tech 3 or BS's (or a damnation) to live through the 30 seconds of being a sitting duck.

Low sec shouldnt be a bored hot-dropper playround, that's what null should be.
Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-06-11 22:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
Your proposal quite bulky and clumsy, IMO, and I liked much more some other one, where it just been proposed to clearly mark ship equiped with cyno generator, even if it's not active at the moment, like working SB or AR marked, with some kind of aura around a ship. So anyone will see right away that you are a bait and that will make all such tactics useless.

There was also another one, which simply proposed that cyno field always have to be generated not right on the ship with corresponding module, but in some vicinity to it, say, somewhere at random spot in a circle of 5au. So it's becomes useless for hotdrops, as after jumping into the system you still have to make another jump to the actual battle.

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Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#9 - 2014-06-11 23:51:43 UTC
If you're getting hotdropped regularly by titans, there are a lot of crews that would be happy to log off a hictor nearby to punish them.

I don't see the problem.

Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-06-12 06:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
Gospadin wrote:
If you're getting hotdropped regularly by titans, there are a lot of crews that would be happy to log off a hictor nearby to punish them.

I don't see the problem.

The problem is that too much people cling to the words, missing the main points completely. Aside from titans you can be hotdropped by many other less expensive "things", thats what OP talking about.

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Doomheim
#11 - 2014-06-12 06:47:12 UTC
If someone hotdropped my catalyst with a Titan or 3 triaged Carriers, that wouldn't ruin low-sec for me. That would be one of the funniest and most enjoyable experiences I've had.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-06-12 23:59:17 UTC
If you want a safe low sec system, head to amarr low sec systems... Most of them are completely empty. Just stay away from Ami in the Kor-Azor region
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-06-13 00:26:58 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
If you want a safe low sec system, head to amarr low sec systems... Most of them are completely empty. Just stay away from Ami in the Kor-Azor region



Khanid even more so. You can traverse 4 or 5 systems in quiet periods without anyone in local at all.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#14 - 2014-06-13 01:31:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Sounds like u are in a very war torn part of the universe. Other low sec areas maybe more forgiving.

that said, PL are showing up more frequently in my stomping grounds these days.

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