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I am sick of using 3rd party tools

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#21 - 2014-06-10 17:17:18 UTC
I'm sick of faceless, cowardly assclowns who create new alts just to ***** about things.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#22 - 2014-06-10 17:18:30 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

I have an observation to share about this.

When I had a slow internet connection with lots of lag,
I noticed that after sending a post,
when you get redirected back to the page,
the post is missing.

It updates shortly later.

This only ever happened when I suffered from a bad connection,
but never at any other time. After trippling over it, I've tested it a bit.

*muffled sounds and struggling noises*

*silence*

Back
What ...
... the HELL ...
... did you just do?

Whatever it was, chances are it was hot.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2014-06-10 17:19:20 UTC
In-Game Tools Please wrote:
I am sick of it CCP, and I want it changed.

You want them to waste dev time on horrible features that will in every way be far inferior than what's already available?

No thanks. I'd prefer it if they stuck with fixing things only they can fix and on giving players even more ability to write 3rd-party tools to do all kinds of wonderful things that are best developed by more knowledgeable and insightful people than those CCP has in-house.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#24 - 2014-06-10 17:20:26 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
What ...
... the HELL ...
... did you just do?


An alarm was about to go off

So I "preempted" it

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2014-06-10 17:21:18 UTC
I'd rather use third party tools that work than CCP developed ones that don't because they're unfinished, like some of the content in Eve.

07 3rd party developers for making awesome stuff for us to abuse.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#26 - 2014-06-10 17:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
In-Game Tools Please wrote:
I am sick of using DOTLAN
I am sick of using EVEMon
I am sick of using EFT
I am sick of using EVE-Central

I am sick of not having a map with any functionality whatsoever
I am sick of having no planner for skills besides the terrible awful ISIS
I am sick of the fitting tool not showing vital information
I am sick of the inability to view any market data whatsoever outside of my region

I am sick of 3rd party developers being used as an excuse to not fix these basic features
I am sick of players having to take on the responsiblility of fixing these glaring holes
I am sick of the notion of playing this game another 5 years with an army of 3rd party programs needed to keep sane
I am sick of typing things in fours and have absolutely nothing to add for the last point here

I am sick of it CCP, and I want it changed.


I am sick of Not Having Your Stuff.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-06-10 17:24:19 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I'd rather use third party tools that work than CCP developed ones that don't because they're unfinished, like some of the content in Eve.

07 3rd party developers for making awesome stuff for us to abuse.


+1

The great thing about 3rd party tools is that you can use them without having to install a whole damn EVE client. I've get lots of 3rd party tools on a flash drive so i can screw around and EFT-warrior on my breaks at work.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#28 - 2014-06-10 17:31:31 UTC
pretty sure for every game I've played 3rd party resources have been far more useful than what the developers publish alone.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Solecist Project
#29 - 2014-06-10 17:38:10 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

I have an observation to share about this.

When I had a slow internet connection with lots of lag,
I noticed that after sending a post,
when you get redirected back to the page,
the post is missing.

It updates shortly later.

This only ever happened when I suffered from a bad connection,
but never at any other time. After trippling over it, I've tested it a bit.

*muffled sounds and struggling noises*

*silence*

Back
What ...
... the HELL ...
... did you just do?

Whatever it was, chances are it was hot.
So you were involved too? ;)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#30 - 2014-06-10 17:39:37 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

I have an observation to share about this.

When I had a slow internet connection with lots of lag,
I noticed that after sending a post,
when you get redirected back to the page,
the post is missing.

It updates shortly later.

This only ever happened when I suffered from a bad connection,
but never at any other time. After trippling over it, I've tested it a bit.

*muffled sounds and struggling noises*

*silence*

Back
What ...
... the HELL ...
... did you just do?

Whatever it was, chances are it was hot.
So you were involved too? ;)


Not this time sadly, but it's been known to happen. Blink
Solecist Project
#31 - 2014-06-10 17:40:53 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Not this time sadly, but it's been known to happen. Blink
Interesting.
Would you care to expand on this? ;)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#32 - 2014-06-10 17:41:27 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

*muffled sounds and struggling noises*

*silence*

Back
What ...
... the HELL ...
... did you just do?

Whatever it was, chances are it was hot.
So you were involved too? ;)


Not this time sadly, but it's been known to happen. Blink


I certainly cannot swear that it hasn't

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#33 - 2014-06-10 17:42:53 UTC
+1 for that last point alone :P

The Drake is a Lie
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-06-10 17:45:20 UTC
Nice bald head, OP. Please make yourself useful.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#35 - 2014-06-10 17:46:42 UTC
In-Game Tools Please wrote:
I am sick of using DOTLAN
I am sick of using EVEMon
I am sick of using EFT
I am sick of using EVE-Central

I am sick of not having a map with any functionality whatsoever
I am sick of having no planner for skills besides the terrible awful ISIS
I am sick of the fitting tool not showing vital information
I am sick of the inability to view any market data whatsoever outside of my region

I am sick of 3rd party developers being used as an excuse to not fix these basic features
I am sick of players having to take on the responsiblility of fixing these glaring holes
I am sick of the notion of playing this game another 5 years with an army of 3rd party programs needed to keep sane
I am sick of typing things in fours and have absolutely nothing to add for the last point here

I am sick of it CCP, and I want it changed.

I almost agree on some level... but not the whole thing.

I would suggest that there should be nothing a 3rd party tool has access to which isn't available directly in-game (a jump sphere or a measure tool in the map is needed). A 3rd Party program may be able to do many things at once (you can calculate how long it will take you to train a skill, you can read it off the character sheet - but EVEMon can tell you how long a 100 skill queue will take) or combine several things together simultaneously (Is my Logi cap stable?) but I don't think there should ever be a need to use a 3rd Party tool, nothing which you can only determine through them. 3rd Party tools should (IMHO) be a convenience rather than a crutch.
If I want to know whether I can jump a carrier from system 'A' to system 'B' then I should be able to determine that in-game... but DOTLAN can tell me if I need to stop off at 'C', 'D' and 'F' on the way, how many 'topes it will take and whether there are stations in those systems in one neat and easy package.
In-Game Tools Please
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-06-10 17:48:03 UTC
A more serious topic at hand:

How is Ramona McCandles in the first 1-5 replies of every single thread I make no matter which alt I use?

The only logical conclusion is that Ramona McCandles is my alt too and I just don't know it.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#37 - 2014-06-10 17:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
In-Game Tools Please wrote:
A more serious topic at hand:

How is Ramona McCandles in the first 1-5 replies of every single thread I make no matter which alt I use?

The only logical conclusion is that Ramona McCandles is my alt too and I just don't know it.


Why is the second "s" in my surname hard for some people to type?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Marsha Mallow
#38 - 2014-06-10 17:50:44 UTC
In-Game Tools Please wrote:
I am sick of using DOTLAN
I am sick of using EVEMon
I am sick of using EFT
I am sick of using EVE-Central

I am sick of not having a map with any functionality whatsoever
I am sick of having no planner for skills besides the terrible awful ISIS
I am sick of the fitting tool not showing vital information
I am sick of the inability to view any market data whatsoever outside of my region

I am sick of 3rd party developers being used as an excuse to not fix these basic features
I am sick of players having to take on the responsiblility of fixing these glaring holes
I am sick of the notion of playing this game another 5 years with an army of 3rd party programs needed to keep sane
I am sick of typing things in fours and have absolutely nothing to add for the last point here

I am sick of it CCP, and I want it changed.

I bet CCP are sick of comments like this.

Actually, I agree in principle that these should be integrated with the game long term (even if it means buying the code from 3rd party developers). But, just to be awkward because you're hiding behind a silly named alt and being a bit childish about it, I'm going to pretend not to.

If you could go torture the RPers on their forum with that name, I might change my mind. Go on, redeem yourself Arrow

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-06-10 17:52:28 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Im sick

100% agree

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#40 - 2014-06-10 17:53:46 UTC
In-Game Tools Please wrote:
I am sick of using DOTLAN
I am sick of using EVEMon
I am sick of using EFT
I am sick of using EVE-Central

I am sick of not having a map with any functionality whatsoever
I am sick of having no planner for skills besides the terrible awful ISIS
I am sick of the fitting tool not showing vital information
I am sick of the inability to view any market data whatsoever outside of my region

I am sick of 3rd party developers being used as an excuse to not fix these basic features
I am sick of players having to take on the responsiblility of fixing these glaring holes
I am sick of the notion of playing this game another 5 years with an army of 3rd party programs needed to keep sane
I am sick of typing things in fours and have absolutely nothing to add for the last point here

I am sick of it CCP, and I want it changed.


I always thought it kinda cool that eve breed the sort of player commitment and ingenuity that folk would go out and create useful items for use in game.

As for specific points raised above, (1) the in-game map has a lot of functionality - you are obviously not using it right; and (2) you do not want a universe where everyone had perfect knowledge of markets conditions everywhere at all times as it would eliminate/limit the possibility of obtaining profits by moving goods from region to region.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.