Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are, however, saying that solution x worked on subject A, surely it will work as a blanket application to the entire Cohort subject A is a part of. You are correct, it worked in CAOD. You have no evidence or data to show it would work across the rest of the forums.


Neither does reductio absurdum.


Making comparisons between two completely different topics, however, does. It is quite possible to go and get data to show what group had the most, say, thread's closed. Were they NPC Corp? Were they player corp? What was the content of the post? Was it closed because the OP was flame bait? Or, was it closed because it was derailed into trolling?

Thanks to Eve Search, it is very possible. If you want merit to all this, I suggest you do your research. You were so eager to do it for nerfing highsec income as per your forum signature. Why not this?


If they were the sole source of quality degradation, and you accurately, and without bias, defined 'quality' to make a sound analysis, then no, I would have to be daft to disagree.

However, I doubt this is the case.

As for my posting history, I normally don't care about much and just derp a herp. This, however, is a bit closer to home. I grew from an NPC corp. My corp started from it. There are good people there with interesting opinions and well thought out ideas. Of course I'd want to voice my opinion in favor of them. I do not like the idea that a father of two and a good job who prefers playing Eve casually in an NPC Corp cannot voice an opinion or participate in the forums because of what is perceived to be a pattern from alleged NPC Corp alt forum trolls.

If YOUR posting history is any indicator, you simply wish to silence 'highsec pubbies,' npc corp players, and/or any combination in thereof.

1. Good job misrepresenting things I'm just going to quote the OP at you:



2. Its a good thing that's not what is taking place and I don't think you know what that means.

3. A comparison has been made between what you said, an anecdote, and what I use to support my suggestion, historical evidence. Everything else you put in this point was a red herring.

4. Basically its a fools errand and my time has become more valuable, I could produce space nobel prize winning research and you'd all claim it was invalid because of goonspiracy.

5. Ah so you're holding a grudge against me and instead of determining the merit of my suggestion based on the reasoning involved have decided to claim its bad because of goonspiracy, what a surprise.

No one should be required to play EVE a certain way in order to have access to the forums. Dont worry so much about what Corp or Alliance someone is in.

Sometimes I wonder how many of you were picked on and bullied in school when you were younger. I see a lot of people on these forums act like children complaining about that someone said something mean to them. But then again, forums will be forums. Ignore the stuff that gets under your skin and dont try so hard to make everyone see things your way. Speak your mind, have fun and enjoy the game. Dont get so twisted over what another person says.

You didn't get a well thought out response for two reasons, goonspiracy and already answered in the OP/did not read the OP. I'll even break it down for you the bolded parts are goonspiracy and the italicized parts are already answered by the OP. You did not raise an new salient points.



If you want a well out response attack the suggestion, correct the goonspiracy in your posts and do not use any new goonspiracy/fallacies.

And how does my original statement that your proposal is an unfounded blanket ban on a large amount of sub forums and users based on the results of a single sub forums policy change? As a clinician, I see no difference between this foolishness and a pants on head PI proposing an entire Cohort be given a dose of an experimental compound due to positive results of a single subject in a completely different Cohort.


Pretty sure it is when you make such foolish comparisons as forum posting history and events occuring a few thousand years ago.


You call my proposal to obtain actual data to strengthen your proposal a red herring?

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Who cares about goons or not? You could be Dinsdale Piranha saying this crap and I would still ask you to get more to back your proposal up than "well it worked in this one sub forum, let's do it to the majority of them!" If you provided hard, undeniable data that showed what you are saying to be true, I could not refute your point, plain and simple. I would have to concede.



If this was about a grudge, I would have just sperged at you like oh so many have before. But instead, I came up with ways to refute you and/or have you refute me with facts.

I would like to see rule that specifically said that.

I don't denied that it is privacy, not right to use Forum. God forbid if they do have right as we don't need rampage of troll like in 4chan.org. however rule related to troll don't state anything against to have npc alt.

it cover all player regardless their corporate background.

blanket ban on npc corp won't stop troll, as it is same idea as NPC corp tax. Troll will just make 1 men corp to bypass it.

real solution is give ISD a power to suspend forum account for chosen time period, and have it apply to entire account.

It worked for CAOD why would it not work for any other sub forum other than the noted exceptions? Remember the idea is to reduce trolling because removing it is impossible.

Its not dead its much slower than it was with the troll alts, which I've already acknowledged in the OP. A slower but higher quality is a good trade-off and it still does more good than harm. I think I already have expanded mod powers in the OP but, if not I'll add it.

That was part of a suggestion that came up earlier in the thread. My own take on it was, in addition to what I've already suggested in the OP, applying any forum punishment account wide, allowing ISD to 24hr gag people, and an evidence recording system that after so many 24hr gags it automatically refers it to a CCP community manager for review. It keeps the ISDs responsibility pretty much the same while giving them more tools to deal with problems yet not a huge amount of power where people start freaking out because freedoms.

NPC troll alts are a thing and this is what I feel the least intrusive and best option to deal with them. The whole point is to increase the quality of the forums, removing NPC troll alts is one part of the solution to do that.