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RE: Links Still Broken

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Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2014-06-10 00:46:29 UTC
Links are still blatantly overpowered. They have been since their conception. They are game breaking. There is a general consensus on this point; anyone with any sense, that has been the victim of link stupidity knows just how bad they are.

The Garmur is a shining example of how broken links currently are. A ship that, otherwise, may have some semblance of balance, is utterly and completely overpowered when coupled with links. If you think a ship should be able to project 140 dps 60km while moving 8km/s (unhittable by ANYTHING, including missiles) while pointing almost 70km, you have lost your damn mind.

The utter lunacy of links is well demonstrated in numerous pvp videos, where a skilled pilot in a great fit is able to take on, sometimes, up to 10 times his numbers by simply brawling them down, due almost purely to links and their ridiculous bonuses. Without links, they would be in a pod perhaps taking 1-2 with them rather than clearing the field. Yes, it's THAT bad.

How this glaring problem exists right before CCP's eyes, with no resolution in sight, is baffling.

The suggestions to make links reasonable are already well known and well discussed. Please, implement the changes your community desires, and fix a broken piece of your game.

DEATH TO LINKS.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#2 - 2014-06-10 01:45:24 UTC
I sense a disturbance in the Force.

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Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-06-10 01:48:40 UTC
It's like he is trying to tell us something.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#4 - 2014-06-10 01:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
140 DPS?

Wow Im scared for sho'

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Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#5 - 2014-06-10 02:11:21 UTC
This thread just got its own soundtrack
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-06-10 02:11:42 UTC
Link me up scotty
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#7 - 2014-06-10 02:15:56 UTC
Have no fear, I'm on the case.

If history is any judge, links will be nerfed within the next 3 months.

I should be finishing up training for them by that time you see.

This has been a flawless tactic of mine for a number of years now with PI, datacores, FW, null sec anomolies and incursions under my belt.

Oh yeah, and the hurricane....
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#8 - 2014-06-10 02:18:13 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Have no fear, I'm on the case.

If history is any judge, links will be nerfed within the next 3 months.

I should be finishing up training for them by that time you see.

This has been a flawless tactic of mine for a number of years now with PI, datacores, FW, null sec anomolies and incursions under my belt.

Oh yeah, and the hurricane....

Big smile So true. I had the same impression since removal of torpedoes on Kestrels Lol
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-06-10 02:18:49 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Have no fear, I'm on the case.

If history is any judge, links will be nerfed within the next 3 months.

I should be finishing up training for them by that time you see.

This has been a flawless tactic of mine for a number of years now with PI, datacores, FW, null sec anomolies and incursions under my belt.

Oh yeah, and the hurricane....

I could quit eve temporarily annd come back right at that point to help increase the chances.

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Dominus Tempus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-06-10 02:22:19 UTC
To this day I still feel like links should have to be on grid to work, or at least to get their full effects, at the very least.

I don't really call having an afk alt buffing your attributes off-grid rewarding gameplay. It's a garbage gameplay mechanic and should be more intuitive than that.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#11 - 2014-06-10 02:25:52 UTC
Dominus Tempus wrote:
To this day I still feel like links should have to be on grid to work, or at least to get their full effects, at the very least.

I don't really call having an afk alt buffing your attributes off-grid rewarding gameplay. It's a garbage gameplay mechanic and should be more intuitive than that.



I on that too. Nigh unprobable t3 link booster in the cooker.

After that.... On to supers.... Player driven world indeed!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#12 - 2014-06-10 04:09:06 UTC
Links are not brokem.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-06-10 04:12:37 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Links are not brokem.

They are incredibly powerful compared to the relative safety of employing them however.

I would do with links only having 50% power to people off grid, and 100% for people on grid.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-06-10 04:15:23 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Links are still blatantly overpowered. They have been since their conception. They are game breaking. There is a general consensus on this point; anyone with any sense, that has been the victim of link stupidity knows just how bad they are.

The Garmur is a shining example of how broken links currently are. A ship that, otherwise, may have some semblance of balance, is utterly and completely overpowered when coupled with links. If you think a ship should be able to project 140 dps 60km while moving 8km/s (unhittable by ANYTHING, including missiles) while pointing almost 70km, you have lost your damn mind.

The utter lunacy of links is well demonstrated in numerous pvp videos, where a skilled pilot in a great fit is able to take on, sometimes, up to 10 times his numbers by simply brawling them down, due almost purely to links and their ridiculous bonuses. Without links, they would be in a pod perhaps taking 1-2 with them rather than clearing the field. Yes, it's THAT bad.

How this glaring problem exists right before CCP's eyes, with no resolution in sight, is baffling.

The suggestions to make links reasonable are already well known and well discussed. Please, implement the changes your community desires, and fix a broken piece of your game.

DEATH TO LINKS.


combat probe the booster, force it off the grid - either kill it force it warp or jump - one t3 combat prober with guns and a scram is sufficient for the task.

however, that is not your problem.

your problem is, you didint bring the correct fleet composition. 2 remote damps = win. 1 logi ship = win. one curse with heavy neut = win. So many things that can beat the linked cruiser... its just the matter of covering your bases in advance.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
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#15 - 2014-06-10 04:19:28 UTC
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-06-10 04:21:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
I actually agree with one thing here: links need to be on grid. For one, the drawback of multiboxing is supposed to be that your attention is split between two clients: a 'solo' pvp'er multiboxing a cloaky T3 booster alt that he can just sit in a safe afk is not a solo pvp'er. For another, I am a huge proponent of players having the ability to take care of their own problems in the game. Players can't mitigate the risks of their choices, or prepare for them, if the risks are unknown or not properly quantified. And offgrid booster alts are a risk that cannot be properly quantified.

On the other hand, we once successfully identified the off-grid booster of a wartarget, found it, and ganked it with out-of-corp alts in tornados. So it's not impossible, but I'm in favour of removing off-grid links altogether.

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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#17 - 2014-06-10 05:54:34 UTC
+1
Or make it that if you activate a link, you become a beacon in overview, forcing some kind of link defense action....

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#18 - 2014-06-10 06:26:46 UTC
scan the link ship.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-06-10 09:12:06 UTC
The magnitude of maxed-out link bonuses does some a tad excessive to me, but I trust the devs in charge of balancing know a bit more about the game than me. Abusing links while pretending to fly 'solo' frigs is annoying but it's also not the only way links are deployed.


And as always, the simple solution is in the metagame. Don't engage a Garmur unless you have your own linked tackler (or any other effective counter), especially if the Garmur pilot is a known link-abuser. Let him have fun flying around at 8km/s all by himself.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-06-10 09:18:54 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
The magnitude of maxed-out link bonuses does some a tad excessive to me, but I trust the devs in charge of balancing know a bit more about the game than me. Abusing links while pretending to fly 'solo' frigs is annoying but it's also not the only way links are deployed.


And as always, the simple solution is in the metagame. Don't engage a Garmur unless you have your own linked tackler (or any other effective counter), especially if the Garmur pilot is a known link-abuser. Let him have fun flying around at 8km/s all by himself.

or, as said above, bring 2 damps? what good is a ship that goes 8km/s when it can't lock **** unless it goes into web ranges?

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