Out of Pod Experience

*Snip* Removed off topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.



Going after new players unnecessarily is petionable already. But that pretty well doesn't apply to someone who is flying an Orca and multiboxing several accounts, wouldn't you agree?

And in this case it's as simple as this. If I go out and talk a lot of smack at Marmite, my corp will get decced for a while, likely I will be watchlisted. If I am out in a wormhole, and I talk smack, I will get evicted and all my **** blown up. They're not "griefing" me by evicting me from that wormhole, they're playing the game.

And if I talk smack to suicide gankers, they will suicide gank me with gusto for a while.

Speech isn't free in EVE if someone cares to do something about it.



I'm going to chalk this up to a difference of opinion. To me, wardecs are precisely that, a tool for me to attack any player corp I see fit, for any reason I see fit, for a fee with 24 hours notice.

If the GMs actually investigated things based on whether it "could" be used to grief new players, the atmosphere of the game would be quite different, I assure you.

I mean, honestly I still fail to see your point. Do the GMs need to get involved because of an offhand comment about targeting someone who is NOT a new player, and therefore fair game for pretty much anything anyone chooses to do to them, for any reason? Because when someone is targeting a person who is not a new player, they *might* have said it to a newbie?

I honestly don't know what you think the infraction here is.




If a new player is ganked while mining, it's because they were afk, or autopiloting, or possibly just for mining in the first place.

But you are mistaken if you think randomly blasting someone who turns out to be a new player is petionable. Mostly because that would give an immunity shield to new characters as well as new players, and that would be a brilliantly bad idea.

The only places you aren't supposed to have free reign to randomly blast anyone you feel like are the starter systems, and apparently now the Bloodstained Stars arc systems to some degree. If you are anywhere else, you are fair game even if you're six hours old.

What is actually petionable is if you follow one single person around, suicide ganking them regardless of what ship they are flying, for days on end, if they try to get away (autopiloting even once abdicates this by the way), AND for no profit. Notably during a wardec you can totally do all of those things anyway.



Yes, difference of opinion. You seem to think that there is any way a wardec could be construed as griefing by the GMs. I disagree, it's a legal mechanic regardless of how, where, or why you use it, or for how long.

See yeah, you are getting that wrong somehow... again. I never said there was a way to grief using the wardec, not even suggesting that there is a way, and if you thought I said that, all you would need to do is quote the wiki on rules of conduct regarding griefing which states that there is no situation where wardecs can amount to a bannable offense and such.

Building a list on the other hand, outside of wardecs, for distribution to other players, is different. Different matter entirely. With a player made list, it's not a system like a wardec system (which again I have no objection to the wardec). A list can be anything and for any purpose, even to conduct an offense that is bannable. And there is the gray area right there that I am talking about, that was injected by the code poster by reason of exclusion to any real definition to his threats. Remember, I never claimed to be a mind reader, cant read his mind, just saying. But his post was so poorly written, and a mention of lists, well... there you have it, can mean anything, even to a bannable offense. I never said that there was a specific reason beyond vague mention of a list, which is why I said "investigation". Is it a waste of a GM's time? I think we can both come to an agreement that GM's have looked into codes business, probably will again, it is their job after all.

Some players attempt to circumvent the wardec mechanism by remaining in NPC corps in the belief that Concord will protect them. Distributing a list to interested parties ensures that those players are A: disabused of a false notion, B: taught that smack talk has consequences, and C: don't miss out on the experience of being exploded by others.

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Toll! No real high sec miner comes into GD and admits they are crying

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The best thing about the permit tank is the educational aspects. If you're following the rules of the New Order, you'll be resisting ganks from other sources as well.

OP, check your kill rights, track the gankers down, stalk them, blow them up. It's fun, it's casual, and it's one of the few solo pvp opportunities left in the game. And to make it easier, you can probably narrow down the guesses on what they'll be flying: a Catalyst or, uh, a Catalyst.