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Nerf to PVE isk incoming

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#41 - 2014-05-21 02:03:16 UTC
Inflation is not a problem.

I've seen the market go up and down many times.

Over all in the history of Eve you will find mostly deflation. Shocked
HTIDRaver
Neurosurgical Reconstruction Centre
#42 - 2014-05-22 08:54:27 UTC
I read some where once that ISK is over-rated.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#43 - 2014-05-22 08:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Inflation is not a problem.

I've seen the market go up and down many times.

Over all in the history of Eve you will find mostly deflation. Shocked


I never read so much bullshit in such a small post.

EDIT!
I CAN SAYZ BULLSHIT!

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
IIFraII
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#44 - 2014-05-22 09:00:42 UTC
Duke Wendo wrote:


Any evidence or you just making up statistics like 93.7% of people on forums do?


I see what you did there, well done Big smile
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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#45 - 2014-05-22 09:46:23 UTC
Any evidence to backup your claims, OP?

Didn't think so! Shocked

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-05-23 06:10:47 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:
After reading the npc kills in API being removed, lots of you claim that pve will be too easy. You're right, it will get easier. CCP is hell bent on reducing isk inflation. The summer industry changed, esp vastly greater prices for damn near everything point to this. W-space as it stands, has 5% of the general eve pop but generates close over 20% of the isk in game.

You heard it here first. PVE is getting easier because the rewards are going to be heavily nerfed.


Thought maybe you were serious till I read "generates close over 20% of the isk in game. "

Wormhole space generates 0 isk. Wormholespace does not contribute significantly toward inflation.
No isk is 'added' to the game through wormhole space, other than the pittance of default insurance payouts as a result of pvp, because the income gain comes in the form of gas, minerals, salvage, blue books, bpcs, etc. Not bounties. W-space generates 0% of the isk in the game, get your facts straight.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-05-23 06:26:31 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Adoris Nolen wrote:
After reading the npc kills in API being removed, lots of you claim that pve will be too easy. You're right, it will get easier. CCP is hell bent on reducing isk inflation. The summer industry changed, esp vastly greater prices for damn near everything point to this. W-space as it stands, has 5% of the general eve pop but generates close over 20% of the isk in game.

You heard it here first. PVE is getting easier because the rewards are going to be heavily nerfed.


Thought maybe you were serious till I read "generates close over 20% of the isk in game. "

Wormhole space generates 0 isk. Wormholespace does not contribute significantly toward inflation.
No isk is 'added' to the game through wormhole space, other than the pittance of default insurance payouts as a result of pvp, because the income gain comes in the form of gas, minerals, salvage, blue books, bpcs, etc. Not bounties. W-space generates 0% of the isk in the game, get your facts straight.


Actually wormhole space does generate a significant amount of isk, from the blue loot you sell to NPCs that generate isk.
There was a presentation by CCP a few fanfests ago before the incursion nerf, comparing the amount of inflation caused by various activities. I think bounties was 60%, incursions at the time was 20% and wormholes was around 10%, I'm sure the numbers have shifted since then.

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Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#48 - 2014-05-23 07:06:12 UTC
lol this thread is amazing

You guys got trolled hard. The OP can never be taken seriously. I mean... seriously.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#49 - 2014-05-23 11:30:10 UTC
Senn Denroth wrote:
lol this thread is amazing

You guys got trolled hard. The OP can never be taken seriously. I mean... seriously.


The ******** as **** replies by some people are simply amazing.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-05-23 12:34:58 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Adoris Nolen wrote:
After reading the npc kills in API being removed, lots of you claim that pve will be too easy. You're right, it will get easier. CCP is hell bent on reducing isk inflation. The summer industry changed, esp vastly greater prices for damn near everything point to this. W-space as it stands, has 5% of the general eve pop but generates close over 20% of the isk in game.

You heard it here first. PVE is getting easier because the rewards are going to be heavily nerfed.


Thought maybe you were serious till I read "generates close over 20% of the isk in game. "

Wormhole space generates 0 isk. Wormholespace does not contribute significantly toward inflation.
No isk is 'added' to the game through wormhole space, other than the pittance of default insurance payouts as a result of pvp, because the income gain comes in the form of gas, minerals, salvage, blue books, bpcs, etc. Not bounties. W-space generates 0% of the isk in the game, get your facts straight.



Lol get your own facts straight. Blue loot is the same as bounties. They are sold to NPC orders which create new isk.
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#51 - 2014-06-03 19:14:22 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:

5. had i known you were going to all fleet up in pirate frigs, I wouldn't have used my only bomber earlier.


Because the well known counter for pirate frigs is a single stealth bomber as we are all aware Roll

The Nexus 7's

What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity
Cassini Valentine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-06-08 14:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassini Valentine
Keith Planck wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Adoris Nolen wrote:
After reading the npc kills in API being removed, lots of you claim that pve will be too easy. You're right, it will get easier. CCP is hell bent on reducing isk inflation. The summer industry changed, esp vastly greater prices for damn near everything point to this. W-space as it stands, has 5% of the general eve pop but generates close over 20% of the isk in game.

You heard it here first. PVE is getting easier because the rewards are going to be heavily nerfed.


Thought maybe you were serious till I read "generates close over 20% of the isk in game. "



Actually wormhole space does generate a significant amount of isk, from the blue loot you sell to NPCs that generate isk.
There was a presentation by CCP a few fanfests ago before the incursion nerf, comparing the amount of inflation caused by various activities. I think bounties was 60%, incursions at the time was 20% and wormholes was around 10%, I'm sure the numbers have shifted since then.


Eve Fanfest 2012, Monthly Q4 average income:
Bounties: 26 trillion, Wormholes: 8.9 trillion, Incursions: 8 trillion, Mission Rewards: 4.3 trillion, Other Faucets: 3.4 trillion. (Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms @ 26:30)

Eve Fanfest 2013 average income quarterly:
http://puu.sh/9kj6V/ef55a91395.png wormholes peak at ~10trillion isk in Q3 2013 (BU and QE are slacking, lol).

Eve Fanfest 2014 biggest isk faucets, Quarterly Average:
http://puu.sh/9khrS/cd779e57ad.png (no wormholes mentioned, although their income in comparable to incursions going by previous data).

5.5% of Eve's total population (assumed to be ~ 500,000 making W-Space about 27,500 players) live in wormholes and the incursion community was roughly 20,000 in size in december 2011 (http://puu.sh/9kjgP/ba43e608ff.png). Having previously incursions myself I think its safe to conclude that the incursion community probably gets the greatest isk/per player/hour than any other community in the game and in terms of isk faucets ccp considers incursions to be balanced.

Here's a quote from Dr. Eyjólfur "Eyjo" Guðmundsson in his 2014 fanfest presentation:

Quote:
If anyone was worried about incursions, they are not really a problem any more. They were balanced back in 2012 and are not causing the economy to explode, not causing anything to go out of proportion, even though those that participate are able to earn a good living.


Although he does not directly mention WH's in this presentation, it could be assumed that because they have a similar player base size and income to incursions, he considers them to be balanced too.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#53 - 2014-06-09 14:41:43 UTC
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