Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Troll all you want, but this is the truth from the 50% that leave, as was noted at fanfest

Why are players leaving?
they die too much to the big hammer (10X or more then their numbers)

... that is it. If a player cant learn how to play without joining a coalition or getting their isk taken by the CFC their most likely option is leaving the game with a sour taste.

this game progression is simple

start out solo --> die to big hammer until you quit
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Join a small corp --> corp dies to big hammer/metagame/infignting/RL issues-->quit or try again
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join a big corp--> sit on titan--> keep sitting on titan--> WTFF! why am i still on a fking titan?-->quit or try again
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join a coalition --> get trolled for sucking --> leave corp --> try again or quit

There is a few solutions for this, and I really don't care what you do or what the trolls say, because as soon as I am done with my current subscription I'm selling and leaving this game (I'm in a game that has scrolls if you're interested)

1. instead of devoting a bigger node to prevent tidi, how about capping the number of players in the fight?
-I have always seen this working like the jita gates, except for at lower numbers, and have the system owners be able to set the max numbers in the system by tidi (say I don't want ANY tidi, I could set the system at 0% and the max would be, say 500 or 2 full fleets)
-This will prevent the argument of "why buy a super when they rarely get used except in tidi fests" argument

-Also allowing the owners to turn off the gate all together, say if they want a cap brawl (this is a wild idea, but it would end up fun and prevent 10000 players sitting at a gate

- fixing the damn code so the entire game can be in the same system... you know you want to do this, but you cant as long as you have devs that don't know how to fix this on your staff

- stop catering to the big coalitions. I know these guys are playing NOW but they are also the biggest reason those 50% dont stay. This is what I refer to as the big hammer. This is like a bull in a china shop, and if it is not tamed, eve will probably not survive another decade. I'm not taking sides, or saying one side is worse then the other, but this is an issue that I was surprised could even happen. Before I joined, I always saw eve as a game with "I am gallente, I should in theory only be able to fly gallente" I definitely feel like this could really shake up the game, and make for a LOT more content, and for once make lowsec relevant.

Other reasons players leave:

2 I die in new player systems/ I get scammed in new player systems. This should be a swift and LONG ban (or a system of 1.0 sec and CONCORD EVERYWHERE, I mean EVERYWHERE). These players are saying "FU CCP I TAKE YOUR MONIES" and everyone that reads this knows it, even if you don't agree with it. Who cares if someone wants to stay in hisec for a year? In other games players dont have to go into pvp until they are ready for it. And let's be real, the next generation IS a lot more carebear. If you want to survive, you need to cater to the audience that is most likely to play eve. Think of eve as a bakery. If I walk into a bakery and the baker takes my money and slaps me in the face, I will either call the cops or walk out and never go back again. THERE IS YOUR 50% CCP NOW STOP FKING AROUND AND FIX THIS! We all know the concept of trolling/scamming/whatever the kids are calling being asshats these days is not going to make you any money. I give it 5 years at this rate and CCP will belong to sony, and eve will become WOW. 8 servers and nobody on ANY of them

Best of luck, I'll see you in the future if the reviews start to change.

Capping players in a fight won't happen because CCP knows fights will turn into a rush of who can pile in the most pilots first - and thereby win the battle.

There is no endgame for thiefs.

What do I want?

EVERYTHING!

never use subs as an argument to change something.

NEVER

the thing that drives people away is likely the core feature of eve; the sandbox.

virtually every other game on the market force feeds people content in a linear and uninteresting fashion. if that's what people want then they've come to the wrong place and a 50% retention rate after a month might be the best eve will ever do due to the nature of the game.

It's probably more important to reverse the 10% 40% split, rather than worry about the 50% who quit.

This is only a half-truth. The limitations placed by available tools in this sandbox is what could be driving people away too.

Aside from very rare exceptions, all you can create in the game (aka "generate a content") is related, or serve the needs of shooting each other in space. You could become trader or manufacturer, but all trade and production are build up around shooting each other in space, you can't probably produce a single possible thing which would serve some other purpose; even POSes and stations needed either to hide here from someone, to sell wepons of destruction, to produce them, or to facilitate income generation to have currency for all these things.

You could become a space explorer, but all those misterious artefacts you will find are needed only to sell them for isks to buy more tools of destruction, or to use them to produce those tools. And all you do as an explorer is trivial resource gathering, and each element of it intentionally reduced to most trivial operations, as to show you that it's not core part of gameplay at all.

You can create communities, but they serve only aforementioned purposes too.

You can amass an enormous amount of isks, but you won't be able to spend it for something other than goals mentioned above.

Yes, I know, there is some tiny percent of those, who stand out, like RP communities, or some creative individuals that from time to time find the way to overcome lack of tools and deliver some out of box content. They do their best to create a more diverse and rich ingame experience, but unfortunately mostly in their heads - as there is lack of tools to support activities other than shooting each other in space.

Eve in current state somehow reminds me those session mmo, when you need to grind money to "repair" your craft to grind more money, and in the end "pilot" more expensive craft to grind even more money. Yes, it's more complex, it have other layers than just battling each other, but all they simply here to support and complement it, and this quickly becomes obvious. All social interactions are built around this, so those people, who don't intrested in PvP that much, have some difficulties to find their place in game world, and either revert to leveling their "Raven", or just get bored and quit

^ This

They need to revamp the missions.

Security missions, in their current iteration, need their rewards nerfed a bit.

Then they need to add another form of Security mission, called "Enforcement" that's similar to an Incursion in that it focuses on a pirate faction "invading" HiSec space, and requires a group to complete. The income would be a bit above what current Security missions grant.

I don't like the idea of "instances" in EVE where it's private and no one can enter them except your fleet.

A solution could be to increase taxes or some disadvantage example: the more money you make the higher your taxes get effectively putting a cap on wealth mongering. In Eve it could be the amount of players in an alliance eventually you get penalized. The problem with that is, groups like the CFC (specifically) aren't even in the same alliance, its a bunch of alliances that want to suck up.. er simply agree to never shoot each other but shoot other people.

Requiring a player to join some sort of corp might be a start to creating a human connection but some will simply chose to make their own corp and remain bored and isolated.

Maybe they could put a little disclaimer or popup or have new player "tips" or messages come up for new accounts. One of the tips could be "Eve is more fun when you play with other people".