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Should the impersonation of other players be made legal?

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Governor McMorris
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-06-07 16:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Governor McMorris
Not so long ago, there was a fairly big drama about impersonation and the way it is forbidden within EVE's EULA, however in now in mid 2014 - maybe it's time to review these anti-impersonation rules?

Here's a few reasons why impersonation (of other players, not devs) can be a positive thing for the sandbox:

  1. In the real world, so called corporate espionage relies heavily on being someone you're not. This often means posing as directors, using fake IDs, ec.t., to get yourself into a position where you can cause damage. Shouldn't this be the same in EVE?
  2. Behind some of the game's biggest alliances and coalitions, there is a huge metagame involving spying and scamming. I believe that the metagame is restricted by these anti-impersonation rules.
  3. Do these rules even make any sense at all? Of course, we shouldn't impersonate developers - but should we would be outlawed from even impersonating our own alts? If you'd even call that impersonation...


EVE is a game that thrives with nefarious player activity and its deep meta-game. Therefore, I'd like to take this chance to start a thread which can have a serious and constructive discussion around impersonation rules in the EULA.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2 - 2014-06-07 16:29:01 UTC
Because it can cause players to become banned for things they did not do

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Evil Brock Nelson
#3 - 2014-06-07 16:31:16 UTC
I am not Brock Nelson
Pepe LePew-Pew
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-06-07 16:42:25 UTC
Im Doreen Kaundur....without make-up.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#5 - 2014-06-07 16:45:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Governor McMorris wrote:
Not so long ago, there was a fairly big drama about impersonation and the way it is forbidden within EVE's EULA, however in now in mid 2014 - maybe it's time to review these anti-impersonation rules?


I don't think you get it. Banning impersonation wasn't a punishment for something someone did, so we can just put the community on probation and lift the ban. It's a rule made for the better of the whole community.

Governor McMorris wrote:
In the real world, so called corporate espionage relies heavily on being someone you're not. This often means posing as directors, using fake IDs, ec.t., to get yourself into a position where you can cause damage. Shouldn't this be the same in EVE?


In RL, if you get caught with a fake ID or doing harm to someone by impersonating someone else you go to jail. In EVE, you get banned. It's already pretty much the same.

Governor McMorris wrote:
Behind some of the game's biggest alliances and coalitions, there is a huge metagame involving spying and scamming. I believe that the metagame is restricted by these anti-impersonation rules.


It's not. Spying, scamming and metagame still exist and are still allowed. Besides, I really don't get what element of the game is not available to you if you can't impersonate someone?

Governor McMorris wrote:
Do these rules even make any sense at all? Of course, we shouldn't impersonate developers - but should we would be outlawed from even impersonating our own alts? If you'd even call that impersonation...


Yes, they make sense and no, "impersonating" your own alts is not impersonation.
Ginger Barbarella
#6 - 2014-06-07 16:46:07 UTC
No.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#7 - 2014-06-07 16:52:20 UTC
Evil Brock Nelson wrote:
I am not Brock Nelson

I am Brock Landers and I'm going to ask you once more, and I'm going to ask you nice: Where the **** is Ringo, you *****?

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Solecist Project
#8 - 2014-06-07 16:53:48 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Yes, they make sense and no, "impersonating" your own alts is not impersonation.
The reason I created "Solstice Project's Alt" last year was because of the change in the TOS that basically made it illegal to be Solstice Project's Alt, no matter who it is.

Iirc, but I think I do.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#9 - 2014-06-07 16:56:30 UTC
In EvE you can impersonate something you're not, you cannot impersonate someone you're not. There's an important fundamental difference.

One is rightfully banned. One is not. For the correct reasons.

KB

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Governor McMorris
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-06-07 17:02:00 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
In EvE you can impersonate something you're not, you cannot impersonate someone you're not. There's an important fundamental difference.

One is rightfully banned. One is not. For the correct reasons.

KB


That's not quite true.

You're not allowed to impersonate specific players, but you're also not allowed to impersonate corps, alliances or even claim your a representative of such.

For example, you're not allowed to claim you're a 'rental director' for one of the big 0.0 alliances.

So even when no individuals are involved, you're fairly restricted.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#11 - 2014-06-07 17:07:07 UTC
Governor McMorris wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
In EvE you can impersonate something you're not, you cannot impersonate someone you're not. There's an important fundamental difference.

One is rightfully banned. One is not. For the correct reasons.

KB


That's not quite true.

You're not allowed to impersonate specific players, but you're also not allowed to impersonate corps, alliances or even claim your a representative of such.

For example, you're not allowed to claim you're a 'rental director' for one of the big 0.0 alliances.

So even when no individuals are involved, you're fairly restricted.


I'm the rental director for one of the big 0.0 Alliances

*waits*

Nope, no banhammer

Citation Needed

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project
#12 - 2014-06-07 17:07:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Governor McMorris wrote:
For example, you're not allowed to claim you're a 'rental director' for one of the big 0.0 alliances.
Inaccurate.

There were dozens of people during BurnJita trying to sell people spots on whitelists,
so they don't get ganked by the goons.

If they weren't allowed to do it, they would have gotten banhammered and nobody would do it anymore.


As long as no names are used, like ...
... "rental director of the goonswarm alliance" ...
... there's no issue.



Also, if you have so much money to give away ...


... do you like Light?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#13 - 2014-06-07 17:08:03 UTC
Also;

Are you aware that in WoW you aren't allowed to name your character according to the EULA?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-06-07 17:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I'm the rental director for one of the big 0.0 Alliances

ah, you would be banned (e: well. i imagine you'd be warned, not banned) for claiming to be a representative of a specific group despite being obviously not
Solecist Project wrote:
The reason I created "Solstice Project's Alt" last year was because of the change in the TOS that basically made it illegal to be Solstice Project's Alt, no matter who it is.

i think solstice project's alt's unsociable behavior reflected poorly on the good name and exemplary reputation of solstice project
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2014-06-07 17:15:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I'm the rental director for one of the big 0.0 Alliances

*waits*

Nope, no banhammer

Citation Needed
I would like to rent my own private system somewhere in your space, is eleventybillion isk enough? P

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#16 - 2014-06-07 17:18:06 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I'm the rental director for one of the big 0.0 Alliances

ah, you would be banned for claiming to be a representative of a specific group despite being obviously not


Aren't you aware the McCandless Clan holds sov in over 85,000 star systems?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#17 - 2014-06-07 17:18:52 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I'm the rental director for one of the big 0.0 Alliances

*waits*

Nope, no banhammer

Citation Needed
I would like to rent my own private system somewhere in your space, is elentybillion isk enough? P


Sure is!

We have a system called

Dinosux

Should meet your requirements

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-06-07 17:22:43 UTC
GD hitting a new low?

"Self help is all in your head"
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-06-07 17:26:21 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I'm the rental director for one of the big 0.0 Alliances

ah, you would be banned for claiming to be a representative of a specific group despite being obviously not


Aren't you aware the McCandless Clan holds sov in over 85,000 star systems?

in that case i apologise for having rudely lectured you on a subject i assume someone in your prominent position would have had more than sufficient knowledge of
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#20 - 2014-06-07 17:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sure is!

We have a system called

Dinosux

Should meet your requirements
Is that the system where Planet XI Moon II is made completely out of tinfoil?

If so I will send my remittance immediately via Royal Fail.

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