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Full API to join Corps

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Conrad Lionhart
#1 - 2014-06-07 04:50:55 UTC
Hey all,

I just came back to the game after being away for over a year.

There is a corp that talked to me about joining, but before I could join, they requested my FULL (not partial) API.

I want to know whether this has become standard practice nowadays for corps recruiting new members.

Back in the day, I just joined a corp without such need for an API, and the only time they needed my API was for teamspeak, and even then a limited API was enough.

So is it safe to give my full API?
Is it now standard practice to give your full API to corps that you want to join?
Sher Rayet
#2 - 2014-06-07 04:55:42 UTC
If you give away full API they read your mails and transactions etc. Go ahead...
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#3 - 2014-06-07 05:09:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Full API seems a bit much unless they have a specific reason after checking killboards, eveboard, eve-gate, etc. Even then, they really should explain to you what their concerns are.

A partial API is normally enough.

As an observation though, I don't think many Corps really dedicate time to learning proper security.
Conrad Lionhart
#4 - 2014-06-07 05:10:11 UTC
Sher Rayet wrote:
If you give away full API they read your mails and transactions etc. Go ahead...


But is it standard practice?
Would you do it if you wanted to join a new corp?
Graygor
1kB Realty
#5 - 2014-06-07 05:11:32 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Full API seems a bit much unless they have a specific reason after checking killboards, eveboard, eve-gate, etc.

A partial API is normally enough.

As an observation though, I don't think many Corps really dedicate time to learning proper security.[


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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-07 05:12:28 UTC
I feel like I'm alright with everything except Mail.. having Mail in there seems unnecessary and perhaps invasive.

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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#7 - 2014-06-07 05:13:05 UTC
Conrad Lionhart wrote:
But is it standard practice?
Would you do it if you wanted to join a new corp?


I would because I don't have anything to hide. However there may be others that see it as too invasive, which I would also agree with.
Bapfl
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-06-07 05:15:31 UTC
Once gain, someone tries to suggest on the forums that full API requirement is actually standard practice.

I don't think full API is useful because people can always buy a new account... oh wait, it is useful, nvm.
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Belligerent Undesirables
#9 - 2014-06-07 05:17:28 UTC
There's plenty of corps that dont need full API codes. They are all over my killboard. The practice is now standard and in most cases you do not want a corp that recruits without it. Also 60% of those corps asking have no idea to properly crawl up your insides so just give it to them.

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#10 - 2014-06-07 05:27:48 UTC
Full API is standard and has been for years. if you had corps before that didnt require it its no wonder they aint around now.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Magnus Cortex
Ginger Industrial Solutions
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-06-07 05:50:28 UTC
People use eve mail? Really?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#12 - 2014-06-07 08:47:01 UTC
Conrad Lionhart wrote:
Sher Rayet wrote:
If you give away full API they read your mails and transactions etc. Go ahead...


But is it standard practice?
Would you do it if you wanted to join a new corp?

A lot do it because someone told them it will keep out spies. Anyone not prepared to explain exactly what part of your API they actually need to check and why they need to check it doesn't actually understand what they are looking at anyway and is only asking because someone told them they should check Full API's.

Its something I refuse to give out, I'll give a partial to a corp that can justify the bits they want to see, as some bits are fair to look at, but demanding a full and not explaining what bits they actually need to see is a mark of a bad recruiter.
Solecist Project
#13 - 2014-06-07 08:48:35 UTC
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Solai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-06-07 08:56:26 UTC
It's standard practice for corps that are worth joining. Any group that's sufficiently organized and with sufficient infrastructure at stake has overwhelming incentive to do a full API comb, and keep a permanent full API on hand, including reading your evemails.

Invasive? Absolutely. Degrading? For the recruiter/security guy as well as the applicant. Un-fun? Boy howdy. Not entirely effective, even with a thorough check? Fraid so.

And with all the downsides combined, it's still worthwhile to require the full API.... If you stand to lose enough, that is. Some corps and alliances are at higher risk from spies, saboteurs and awoxers. These are typically the more powerful groups, who inevitably have enemies that are willing to dedicate a subscription simply to gathering your intel, or waiting for a moment to exploit, burning the spy.

By requiring the full API, you make it a bit less easy for opponents to infiltrate you. Having only a few spies in your ranks is a lot better than having a bunch of spies.

The paranoia sucks - the security check sucks - the lack of privacy sucks - the newbie unfriendliness sucks - the extra layer of bureaucracy sucks - the extra work sucks.
Yet, all of that sucks less than what spies can potentially afflict on a competitive alliance.

Full API is standard for alliances that matter. No API, no recruit.
Solecist Project
#15 - 2014-06-07 09:00:02 UTC
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#16 - 2014-06-07 09:02:22 UTC
Solai wrote:
Snip.

Except nowhere in there did you actually explain a single thing about how a FULL API rather than a partial actually changes anything. Nor what bits actually help you in checking for spies or running a corp. You just trotted out the old passed down and horribly flawed argument.
Solecist Project
#17 - 2014-06-07 09:08:08 UTC
Full API does nothing against a dedicated spies.
The whole procedure is more or less pointless.

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Conrad Lionhart
#18 - 2014-06-07 09:12:54 UTC
My primary concern is that giving Full API will give people information to exploit me or somehow make my life miserable.

If it is very unlikely to happen, then I don't mind giving it.

The API page did warn me about giving this information, so I am just wary by default.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#19 - 2014-06-07 09:13:49 UTC
I will give my api.

It shows trust. Blink

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Solecist Project
#20 - 2014-06-07 09:15:49 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
I will give my api.

It shows trust. Blink

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lol

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