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Permanent Wardec?
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Anuthahoodedguy
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-09-11 05:57:23 UTC
I'm trying to find out whether or not it is allowed for me to permanently wardec someone.

If I was a CEO, and I had 100 billion ISK, put it into my corporation wallet, declared war on another corporation, and logged off, could I keep a permanent wardec against that corporation? If the CEO was a character on an active account and the account stayed active for 5 years, could I keep him war decced for 5 years without ever logging on again?

Thanks for the Info
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#2 - 2011-09-11 10:47:02 UTC
To my knowledge, a wardec has to be renewed every week.

Also, rumor has it that a wardec with the deccer never showing up or even logging in is eventually petitionable for griefing....

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Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-09-11 13:38:58 UTC
You want a permanent wardec that you don't have to worry about each week?

Join FW.
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-09-11 14:27:16 UTC
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
You want a permanent wardec that you don't have to worry about each week?

Join FW.


Yea but then he has to dec people which might acually fight back. Thats scary.
Anuthahoodedguy
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-09-11 14:41:32 UTC
I'm aware the dec must be renewed each week, that's why in this hypothetical scenario I've put 100 billion in my corp wallet. You just set your auto bill pay and walk away. The purpose of the hypothetical is to determine whether it is permitted. Since the corp that gets decced has no one to fight and no way to break the dec, it sure does seem like I could get away with it.
Elaine Solarheart
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-09-11 15:54:31 UTC
Anuthahoodedguy wrote:
I'm aware the dec must be renewed each week, that's why in this hypothetical scenario I've put 100 billion in my corp wallet. You just set your auto bill pay and walk away. The purpose of the hypothetical is to determine whether it is permitted. Since the corp that gets decced has no one to fight and no way to break the dec, it sure does seem like I could get away with it.


I don't think ( I could be wrong here) that a warbill is covered by the auto-bill-pay facility. If it were, I can see alot of exploitation allegations being made over this kind of lame tactic. You do realise that this scenario goes very close to the "CEO-trains-up-alt-to -dec-his-own-corp-and-then-makes-it-mutual-in-order-to-increase-the-cost-of-"real wardecs" ? And that IS an exploit.

Also...............what's the point? If I had 100 bil to waste, I'd be hiring some mercs to get that **** done right! And for one person???? (You said "someone", not "a corp", in your OP.) Sounds lame all around, mate. Best think hard about what you are asking............and what it says about YOU. Ugh

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-11 16:42:16 UTC
ccp would end it due to griefing. you cannot target a specific person or corp for no reason in eve. you can dec them but if u leave it going its griefing, unless of course you have a justified reason, such the corp who lost all those freighters could wardec goons and leave it run, but they wouldnt care due to 0.0 space
Anuthahoodedguy
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-09-11 17:55:43 UTC
Elaine Solarheart wrote:
I don't think ( I could be wrong here) that a warbill is covered by the auto-bill-pay facility.


There is an auto pay setting for War Bill in the corp wallet settings.

Elaine Solarheart wrote:
You do realise that this scenario goes very close to the "CEO-trains-up-alt-to -dec-his-own-corp-and-then-makes-it-mutual-in-order-to-increase-the-cost-of-"real wardecs" ? And that IS an exploit.

I'm not sure that's true. I've heard that it is permitted.

I basically agree with the assessment that it's not a nice or admirable thing but I don't see any information anywhere that says I can't. Has anyone successfully petitioned a wardec on the grounds that it was just griefing? What qualifies as a justified reason?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-09-12 00:48:04 UTC
AFAIK the only griefing accusation that ever received a response from CCP was a corp who kept chasing one specific person, and wardeccing every corp he joined for a period of several months. Their reasoning was that wardecs are supposed to be a corp vs corp thing, not a corp vs person.

I can't see how simply one corp holding a grudge against another could be considered harrassment. They always have the option of dropping corp and reforming. I'm not sure how re-wardeccing the reformed corp over and over every time they do this would be classified, I'd say it depends on which GM you get to talk to.
Anuthahoodedguy
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-09-12 14:30:40 UTC
I put in a petition over the weekend to get a rules clarification. I used almost the exact text from my original post. I was told "that's perfectly fine." I have now asked for a confirmation of that response from a senior GM.

I went one step further to say that I wanted to make perfectly clear that I was going to put a year's worth of wardec money in my wallet, dec the corp, and NEVER, EVER log on with the wardeccing character again.

It would be really nice if they published information about these sorts of things. It would cut down the load of petitions I'm sure.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-09-12 15:05:51 UTC
That's all well and good, but I fail to see the point. Anyone with half a brain will figure out after a relatively short time that there is no real threat and move on with their normal activities.
Anuthahoodedguy
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-09-12 15:20:13 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
That's all well and good, but I fail to see the point. Anyone with half a brain will figure out after a relatively short time that there is no real threat and move on with their normal activities.

The dec corp could have a bunch of other hunter/killer alts who will stay offline until the critical moment, say while you're moving your freighter to Jita to sell your minerals from the mining op you're running. I can conceive of many different permutations of this tactic. Including something like perma deccing alliances and waiting for them to lower their guard while they're in empire. Perma deccing hisec carebear alliances is interesting--it will essentially render useless their billion isk investment in forming an alliance because they'll never know for sure when the war deccers will pop in for a quick massacre.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-13 08:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
You could always go to Null sec.. Can PvP without 24 hour pre-nuptials.. and no worry of lame alt repper from out of bungholes... Best part its "FREE"...

LoL Wardecs..

Is there a way to like my own post?
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#14 - 2011-09-13 08:31:03 UTC
Declare war and have the other party declare it mutual.

Pretty sure that gives you a no-cost permanent war .. could be mistaken though.
Tikera Tissant
#15 - 2011-09-13 09:12:51 UTC
Anuthahoodedguy wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
That's all well and good, but I fail to see the point. Anyone with half a brain will figure out after a relatively short time that there is no real threat and move on with their normal activities.

The dec corp could have a bunch of other hunter/killer alts who will stay offline until the critical moment, say while you're moving your freighter to Jita to sell your minerals from the mining op you're running. I can conceive of many different permutations of this tactic. Including something like perma deccing alliances and waiting for them to lower their guard while they're in empire. Perma deccing hisec carebear alliances is interesting--it will essentially render useless their billion isk investment in forming an alliance because they'll never know for sure when the war deccers will pop in for a quick massacre.


And that is the reason why you have to re-war declare every week P
war-declare should be able to be solveable, and its ment to be an active war, not a passive one.

Also in the situation you descriped, I would say it has one big falw to it.
The hauler can just pick everything, leave the corp, fly to his destination under NPC corp, and rejoin the corp when he is done.

So you will just wait for him at the designated gate, rub your hands together expectively, and than *facepalm*, hauler is not attackable without getting your ass kicked by concord Big smile
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-13 10:03:04 UTC
Step 1= Join FW.

Step 2= ????

Step 3= Profit.

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Anuthahoodedguy
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-09-13 14:17:13 UTC
You guys who are suggesting FW or nullsec are missing the point. I am interested in wardeccing without maintenance, except maybe a surprise engagement after the decced corp lets down its guard. Essentially, its looking like I can dec an alliance permanently and their only options are eternal vigilance or abandoning the alliance.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-09-13 14:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
No I think we're pretty much on point here.. you want to implement a rather lame and not all cost effective nor creative approach.. more than likely for the purpose of griefing.. I find most wardecs seem to be baseless and just distasteful having no real substance..

When a hi-sec decides to Wardecs on corps that operate in 0.0. Territory.. stupid...lame.. wanting to passively Wardecs a corp without any type of upkeep. Stupid..lame.. I'd hope theyd close corp on you and that 100 bil would be lost to a 1 man holding corp played toon for the next 6mos.. very cost effective.. as the point of decing is killing enough isk to justify paying that tab every week..
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#19 - 2011-09-13 14:40:31 UTC
join red vrs blue they have constant wardecks ;)
Anuthahoodedguy
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-09-13 15:45:21 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
No I think we're pretty much on point here.. you want to implement a rather lame and not all cost effective nor creative approach.. more than likely for the purpose of griefing.. I find most wardecs seem to be baseless and just distasteful having no real substance..

When a hi-sec decides to Wardecs on corps that operate in 0.0. Territory.. stupid...lame.. wanting to passively Wardecs a corp without any type of upkeep. Stupid..lame.. I'd hope theyd close corp on you and that 100 bil would be lost to a 1 man holding corp played toon for the next 6mos.. very cost effective.. as the point of decing is killing enough isk to justify paying that tab every week..

No. No you're not on point. I don't want to fight, so faction warfare, RvB, and nullsec are irrelevant.

You said "I'd hope theyd close corp on you." Who is "they"? If the decced corp closes up, I just log back on and transfer the ISK back to my main. If you mean CCP, then you clearly haven't read the rest of the thread. I've ALREADY petitioned for a rules clarification and been told I can do this. I've now asked for confirmation from a senior GM; we'll see if there is a consensus or not. If it is allowed, it is allowed. I don't actually think it SHOULD be allowed, but hey CCP knows best, right?
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