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Elmonky

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#21 - 2014-06-06 15:22:57 UTC

Imho the prospect will do it's best work in WH space.

Hoovering Gas and allowing slo-mo D scanners working without scouts the ability to escape even if there are non blues in W Space.

5 sec delay to cloak - I'll take that thanks. Hell I could sit in a field all the way up to the combat probes to start tickling my man potatoes and still managed to move 2500m by the time the warp in is fixed.

I was here.... now I am gone.

Leafar Nightfall

Silent Owls

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#22 - 2014-06-06 15:47:01 UTC

Elmonky wrote:

I agree with you. The only thing the prospect is lacking is an extra utility slot for a probe launcher.

Also I don't see much utility in having a cov jump capable mining frigate if you still need a blops BS. I guess the industrial corps that are most interested in this feature won't go into the trouble of training an alt or recruiting a blops pilot just for that

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

Likes received: 7,384

#23 - 2014-06-06 16:01:03 UTC

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

Also I don't see much utility in having a cov jump capable mining frigate if you still need a blops BS.

How else do you expect to Cov Jump it?

And plenty of indy corps have this capability already for their Blockade Runners

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

State Protectorate Caldari State 3,287
SurrenderMonkey State Protectorate Caldari State Likes received: 3,287	#24 - 2014-06-06 16:03:18 UTC 1 Quote: Also I don't see much utility in having a cov jump capable mining frigate if you still need a blops BS. I guess the industrial corps that are most interested in this feature won't go into the trouble of training an alt or recruiting a blops pilot just for that I... what? "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Leafar Nightfall

Silent Owls

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#25 - 2014-06-06 16:10:29 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

Also I don't see much utility in having a cov jump capable mining frigate if you still need a blops BS.

How else do you expect to Cov Jump it?

And plenty of indy corps have this capability already for their Blockade Runners

I think since there are industrial applications, maybe there could be an ORE ship capable of generating the cov jump portal. Maybe the Orca I suppose.

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#26 - 2014-06-06 16:15:33 UTC

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

I think since there are industrial applications, maybe there could be an ORE ship capable of generating the cov jump portal. Maybe the Orca I suppose.

You mean Roqual surely

And why? Blops arent that hard to train for

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann


Elmonky Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 100	#27 - 2014-06-06 16:18:21 UTC I forgot to check.. how much are they selling for? Is it a cheaper alternative to other cyno hulls?

Leafar Nightfall

Silent Owls

Likes received: 137

#28 - 2014-06-06 16:26:53 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

I think since there are industrial applications, maybe there could be an ORE ship capable of generating the cov jump portal. Maybe the Orca I suppose.

You mean Roqual surely

And why? Blops arent that hard to train for

I mentioned orca because I think it compares better to a blops BS in both price and training time (although it seems a lot faster to train, I can't check the training time right now)

Maybe I'm just being too picky, but I don't see why the only ship capable of jumping mining frigates is a black ops ship, since said frigates are not "black ops" in the same sense.

The orca is also in the same training line as the prospect, in the same way the Blops are in the same line of stealth bombers. If a pilot or corp wants to be 100% dedicated to mining only the blops is in another training path.

Although I agree, it surely isn't a "need", I just think it makes a bit more of sense to have industrials jumping industrials and combat blops jumping combat blos (like I said, I'm being kind of picky)


Leafar Nightfall Silent Owls Likes received: 137	#29 - 2014-06-06 16:27:42 UTC Elmonky wrote: I forgot to check.. how much are they selling for? Is it a cheaper alternative to other cyno hulls? 22 millions the last time I've checked, it should get cheaper in the next days I don't know how it compares to the other hulls

SurrenderMonkey

State Protectorate

Caldari State

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#30 - 2014-06-06 16:33:16 UTC | Edited by: SurrenderMonkey

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

I think since there are industrial applications, maybe there could be an ORE ship capable of generating the cov jump portal. Maybe the Orca I suppose.

You mean Roqual surely

And why? Blops arent that hard to train for

It's not "capable of jumping mining frigates" - it's capable of bridging covert ships, one of which happens to be a mining frigate.

It's not the only ship in the game capable of bridging them, either - There are also titans.

Why would an orca be able to fit a bridge? I mean, allowing them to fit a cov ops bridge is clearly nonsensical. Nothin' covert about an Orca. And a full-sized bridge wouldn't make much sense, either.

Why does every new, amazing thing always need some sort of new, amazing exception to the rest of the game to make it even newer and amazinger?

It's a ******* mining ship with a covert ops cloak, how is that not good enough for you?

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Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#31 - 2014-06-06 16:33:24 UTC

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

I mentioned orca because I think it compares better to a blops BS in both price and training time (although it seems a lot faster to train, I can't check the training time right now)
Maybe I'm just being too picky, but I don't see why the only ship capable of jumping mining frigates is a black ops ship, since said frigates are not "black ops" in the same sense.

The orca is also in the same training line as the prospect, in the same way the Blops are in the same line of stealth bombers. If a pilot or corp wants to be 100% dedicated to mining only the blops is in another training path.
Although I agree, it surely isn't a "need", I just think it makes a bit more of sense to have industrials jumping industrials and combat blops jumping combat blos (like I said, I'm being kind of picky)

I see you point

But a Blops isnt just about combat

I genuinely do know someone who has Cargo Rigs on a Blops, and uses it to jump Blockade Runners and Cov Ops frigs around with his corp to carebear in low and null.

The Blops rats, the Cov Frigs explore and the Runners either set up POSes or haul cargo or deploy Skiffs

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#32 - 2014-06-06 16:37:50 UTC

SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Why would an orca be able to fit a bridge? I mean, allowing them to fit a cov ops bridge is clearly nonsensical. Nothin' covert about an Orca. And a full-sized bridge wouldn't make much sense, either.

Actually..... there is a wee bit of merit in the idea of a CIA er Covert Ops Orca.....

http://www.armedforces-int.com/upload/image_files/corporate_policy/images/projects/15/ac-130h-spectre.jpg

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

SurrenderMonkey

State Protectorate

Caldari State

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#33 - 2014-06-06 16:38:42 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Actually..... there is a wee bit of merit in the idea of a CIA er Covert Ops Orca.....

http://www.armedforces-int.com/upload/image_files/corporate_policy/images/projects/15/ac-130h-spectre.jpg

Would have to be a T2 Orca.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#34 - 2014-06-06 16:45:18 UTC

SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Actually..... there is a wee bit of merit in the idea of a CIA er Covert Ops Orca.....

http://www.armedforces-int.com/upload/image_files/corporate_policy/images/projects/15/ac-130h-spectre.jpg

Would have to be a T2 Orca.

Oh yeah, agreed

But my Gods, a Spectre Gunship Orca......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5HOt0ZOcYk

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

SurrenderMonkey

State Protectorate

Caldari State

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#35 - 2014-06-06 16:51:43 UTC

Ramona McCandless wrote:

SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Actually..... there is a wee bit of merit in the idea of a CIA er Covert Ops Orca.....

http://www.armedforces-int.com/upload/image_files/corporate_policy/images/projects/15/ac-130h-spectre.jpg

Would have to be a T2 Orca.

Oh yeah, agreed

But my Gods, a Spectre Gunship Orca......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5HOt0ZOcYk

But then there would be a deluge of carebear tears over the fact that it doesn't have an ore hold, so... actually, wait, that's even better. MAKE IT SO, CCP!

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Miek Okaski

Likes received: 1

#36 - 2014-06-06 17:09:12 UTC

SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Leafar Nightfall wrote:

I think since there are industrial applications, maybe there could be an ORE ship capable of generating the cov jump portal. Maybe the Orca I suppose.

You mean Roqual surely

And why? Blops arent that hard to train for

basically this...

Arronicus

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 1,581

#37 - 2014-06-06 21:24:48 UTC

Chewytowel Haklar wrote:

Won't this in same way start a myriad of new wars? I
Perhaps I am just too new to the game and don't understand the vast mechanics of how things work. Maybe big alliances hardly care at all if some players wonder in their space and grab a little ore here and there.

Fixed your post for you. It can easily be summarized by you asking this question, and me replying: No. Not only does your travel time not make it worth it for you to come to 0.0 and stealth mine, when you would make more isk/hour mining in highsec with a procurer, but in nullsec systems the ore isn't limited. In systems where we mine, it gets upgraded, so the ore sites respawn instantly. In systems where mining doesn't happen, noone gives two s- if the belt gets mined a little.

No wars will happen, because noone cares beyond 'oh hey, a noob, lets kill it'

Victoria Sin

Doomheim

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#38 - 2014-06-06 21:52:47 UTC

I wonder if CCP have any employees who mine or do industry. I'm thinking they don't, because I don't see any miner who doesn't want to lose the will to live using one of these. So this ship is just a passing phase of "obvious bait is obvious". It's not as if it's going to be more useful than existing options for any role. Is it somehow an option for a dual box setup with a cloaked orca in a wormhole? I honestly can't see what possible use it is beyond that which I've stated above.

SurrenderMonkey

State Protectorate

Caldari State

Likes received: 3,287

#39 - 2014-06-06 22:27:44 UTC

Victoria Sin wrote:

...tbh anyone who shoots rocks with a Prospect is probably not too quick on the uptake.

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Ilovetomine

Doomheim

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#40 - 2014-06-07 02:39:52 UTC

Sad part of prospect and attaining supposed rare and valuable ores, is that SCORDITE is almost worth as much, or even more than, the old rare ores such as Arkonor, Bistot, and Crokite.

Let me give you a link to explain.

The rare ores arent even that much more valuable than empire ores these days...

Scord worth around 5.7 m a can, most valuable ore worth around 7m a can (not counting mercoxit)

not really a whole lot to gain there, especially for such a small hold, etc

http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore

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