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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1 - 2014-06-06 15:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
This is a game that actively pursues it's player base to acquire second and third accts.

Alts are not just generic characters people make because they can. They fill a need. Usually a specific one.

What I'd like to propose, as an anal retentive skill sheet guy, is the option to start a character with zero SP. If there's one thing I hate, it's looking at a skill sheet and seeing a bunch of starter skills that will never be trained because my Cyno/PI/builder/etc will never use them.

There has to be other players that feel the same. At least enough that we can get CCP to look at no SP as an option to tick for new builds. I'd rather start with zero SP than 50k that I'll never use.

Anyone on side with this, or am I the only one?

Mr Epeen Cool
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-06 15:20:03 UTC
I honestly don't care Big smile but I also do not see any reason why not! +1 for your ADD!

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Coldslaw
Aperture Corporation
#3 - 2014-06-06 15:26:35 UTC
What about simply giving the new alt the 50k in SP and allow them to be placed where you want them?
Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2014-06-06 15:31:17 UTC
Coldslaw wrote:
What about simply giving the new alt the 50k in SP and allow them to be placed where you want them?

This one, but make it a tick box item so new players don't have to try to allocate skills when they don't know where to put them.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2014-06-06 15:34:47 UTC
Coldslaw wrote:
What about simply giving the new alt the 50k in SP and allow them to be placed where you want them?


That would be the ideal situation. But even a pathetic unassigned 50k SP for new characters will start a **** storm on the forum ending in a locked threadnaught. I figure it's more likely to get no SP than 50k to use as you will.

Mr Epeen Cool
Coldslaw
Aperture Corporation
#6 - 2014-06-06 15:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Coldslaw
Iain Cariaba wrote:

This one, but make it a tick box item so new players don't have to try to allocate skills when they don't know where to put them.


Yeah some work would need to be done on the creation process to help guide new players. You could have a few templates like industry, combat, exploration, etc etc. Once you pick one of those the SP are allocated, but then you have the option of moving them around if you like. Sort of like the attribute points during a remap.

Mr Epeen wrote:
That would be the ideal situation. But even a pathetic unassigned 50k SP for new characters will start a **** storm on the forum ending in a locked threadnaught. I figure it's more likely to get no SP than 50k to use as you will.


Most likely. I'm not exactly sure why anyone would consider less than a day's worth of SP game breaking though.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-06-06 15:56:00 UTC
just look at the starter skills as the things that qualified your character to become a capsuleer...remember a little chaos is good for OCD treatment...though a lot of chaos is better...
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2014-06-06 16:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
"CCP!! We get too many 'useless skills' when starting out! Remove that 'useless SP!'"

"CCP!! The rookies do mot get enough starting skills! Give them enough SP when starting out so they don't have to wait hours before they are not totally useless!"

"CCP!! Why are you giving all this unallocated SP out?? Rookies do not know where to put it to be useful and this is further proof of appeasement to the veterans!!"


This is a no-win, no-win, no-win situation. The status quo thus remains to keep the peace.

How did you Veterans start?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-06-06 17:11:26 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
"CCP!! We get too many 'useless skills' when starting out! Remove that 'useless SP!'"

"CCP!! The rookies do mot get enough starting skills! Give them enough SP when starting out so they don't have to wait hours before they are not totally useless!"

"CCP!! Why are you giving all this unallocated SP out?? Rookies do not know where to put it to be useful and this is further proof of appeasement to the veterans!!"


This is a no-win, no-win, no-win situation. The status quo thus remains to keep the peace.

Meh, the zero-SP option wouldn't hurt anybody, would it?

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#10 - 2014-06-06 20:08:51 UTC
Coldslaw wrote:
What about simply giving the new alt the 50k in SP and allow them to be placed where you want them?


Agree on that

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!
Iain Cariaba
#11 - 2014-06-06 20:21:57 UTC
Coldslaw wrote:
Yeah some work would need to be done on the creation process to help guide new players. You could have a few templates like industry, combat, exploration, etc etc. Once you pick one of those the SP are allocated, but then you have the option of moving them around if you like. Sort of like the attribute points during a remap.

Actually, you're describing what chargen used to be. Race, bloodline, and training determined your starting skills. I wasn't actively playing when they changed this to the current system, so I'm unsure why they changed it.
Nano Sito
#12 - 2014-06-06 20:37:02 UTC
Dude what a fake out. I thought you were suggesting to get rid of the absolute need for alts and improve the solo experience as well as the interaction with other players.
So it's just your OCD talking here...
+1, but whatev'
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-06-06 20:57:33 UTC
Some of us do manage to play without any alts at all. But we are a rare breed.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#14 - 2014-06-06 21:14:03 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
just look at the starter skills as the things that qualified your character to become a capsuleer...remember a little chaos is good for OCD treatment...though a lot of chaos is better...


I think this is the best perspective for it all.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

Support better localization for the Japanese Community.
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
#15 - 2014-06-07 01:18:02 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Coldslaw wrote:
Yeah some work would need to be done on the creation process to help guide new players. You could have a few templates like industry, combat, exploration, etc etc. Once you pick one of those the SP are allocated, but then you have the option of moving them around if you like. Sort of like the attribute points during a remap.

Actually, you're describing what chargen used to be. Race, bloodline, and training determined your starting skills. I wasn't actively playing when they changed this to the current system, so I'm unsure why they changed it.

They changed it to balance the factions

Is that my two cents or yours?
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#16 - 2014-06-07 03:57:33 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Coldslaw wrote:
Yeah some work would need to be done on the creation process to help guide new players. You could have a few templates like industry, combat, exploration, etc etc. Once you pick one of those the SP are allocated, but then you have the option of moving them around if you like. Sort of like the attribute points during a remap.

Actually, you're describing what chargen used to be. Race, bloodline, and training determined your starting skills. I wasn't actively playing when they changed this to the current system, so I'm unsure why they changed it.

Because some characters started with completely insane levels of SP compared to others. My memory's foggy, but I seem to remember some being allotted up to ~800k SP. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

Some even started with Laboratory Operation V if I remember correctly, meaning that new research alts were trivial at the time.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#17 - 2014-06-07 04:30:29 UTC
Came in to topic expecting some kind of insight in to alt proliferation and how it hurts newbies. Instead came in to one of the most worthless and pedantic topics ive ever seen
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#18 - 2014-06-07 04:35:32 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Coldslaw wrote:
Yeah some work would need to be done on the creation process to help guide new players. You could have a few templates like industry, combat, exploration, etc etc. Once you pick one of those the SP are allocated, but then you have the option of moving them around if you like. Sort of like the attribute points during a remap.

Actually, you're describing what chargen used to be. Race, bloodline, and training determined your starting skills. I wasn't actively playing when they changed this to the current system, so I'm unsure why they changed it.

Because some characters started with completely insane levels of SP compared to others. My memory's foggy, but I seem to remember some being allotted up to ~800k SP. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

Some even started with Laboratory Operation V if I remember correctly, meaning that new research alts were trivial at the time.


At that time, all characters started with 800k.

I remember if you picked a certain Gallente sub class, you could be in an assault frigate in a week or so. Or a Caldari Achura for the 3 charisma. There were no remaps back then so you needed to really know what you wanted and try out different starting setups. If you got it wrong you were stuck with it forever.

Mr Epeen Cool