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A message regarding reported layoffs at CCP

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RaZZZZia
Bundesanstalt fuer Materialforschung und -pruefung
#61 - 2014-06-05 22:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: RaZZZZia
@CCP Execs (who wont read this anyway, corporate shenanegans are the same everywhere.)


I know businesses well enough to know that at some point only amputation helps getting things back shipshape.

BUT this is not the first "restructuring" we see here. Since 2009 or so you guys should have learned that you're not a small shop anymore and have seen to get people aboard who know how to manage larger companies. It appears to me that this didnt happen.

We saw a lot of things happening at Dev-Levels, some amongst them good (jesus-features, etc.) some meh, but well i think dev works got a lot better in the last two years.

However CCP in its current state reeks of middlemanagement and c-level-bs. Knowing the phenomenon from my own career, this is usually the result of fast growth without c-levels arriving in that reality. So a ton of middlemanagement is recruited to buffer from the harshnesses that come with not being an operation out of a gardenshed anymore.
Middlemanagement wants to keep their jobs, so everything gets filtered. Voilà Eastern Block Syndrome where the head doesnt know of the festering boil that develops at the knee; simply because the middlemanagement belly is blocking sight and communications.

If you have a valid strategy, by all means, do what you need to do.
If that includes cutting some lard from the staff, well see that theyre taken care of, to look at least like an employer with some humanity.
If that includes axing the complete managerial staff and executive level, call the bloodraiders.
If it means for a lot higherups who have been there from the start to let loose the reins, guys, let them loose.
While the loss of power may be something unpleasent, doing so is amongst the greatest bragging materials ever.
And it hurts much less than running the project you spend short of two decades at in the ground.


DO NOT FCUK THIS UP.

DO NOT BREAK THE PRODUCTION LINE FOR YOUR CLIENTS FAVOURITE TOYS AND YOUR ONLY PRODUCT.



The gaming industry has seen too many studios shutting down recently after cutting everything down to a skeleton operation. That is not a good meme.

Thank you.

Edit: Damn tablet autocorrect bs.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2014-06-05 22:11:13 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oh my ******* god, you people. Stop acting like this is the first time a software company has ever done this.

I don't even work in the industry (yet) and I know full well to expect this kind of thing from pretty much anywhere I'd go. Nothing about the linked article surprises me either.


Admitedly I put CCP on a pedastool when compared to ofter software companies. I expect stuff like this from gaben and Americanized triple A companies, not CCP.

BREAKING: CCP lays off all of CCP to restructure CCP.

Yeah, it's not unique to American companies. Just take a look at Watch Dogs for an example of another game developed under pretty much the same conditions and principles. That game was developed by a Canadian subsidiary of a French company.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Alundil
Rolled Out
#63 - 2014-06-05 22:19:41 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oh my ******* god, you people. Stop acting like this is the first time a software company has ever done this.

I don't even work in the industry (yet) and I know full well to expect this kind of thing from pretty much anywhere I'd go. Nothing about the linked article surprises me either.


Admitedly I put CCP on a pedastool when compared to ofter software companies. I expect stuff like this from gaben and Americanized triple A companies, not CCP.

BREAKING: CCP lays off all of CCP to restructure CCP.

I've actually read some pretty interesting things about how Valve (gaben) runs things and most of them have sounded pretty cool/fair tbh.

I can't say the same thing about CCP. In fact, I don't think I've seen any positive "industry" write-ups about CCP or it's work environment/culture, whereas I have seen such about the bigger and well known software dev companies.

And James A-K, there might be some who are overreacting. But I don't think I see a lot of responses from people seeming surprised about this most recent wrinkle in the tale of ambulations downfall (and other things it drags down). I see more people sadly resigned to having expected something like this already. The part that does bother a bit is the likelihood that the whole "mea culpa" and "we'll do better" etc etc etc was fabricated. Is that surprising? No (also sadly), but it is greatly disappointing.

I'm right behind you

Pj Harvey
Red DUST Industries.
#64 - 2014-06-05 22:24:47 UTC
I was wondering myself the last few weeks after coming back from an extended absence, how everything in eve is has been 'adjusted' to be 2x to 4x the price. When I left a bs was 60 mil, a mindlink was 5 mil and a cruiser was 4 mil. It seems CCP have been artificially raising in-game prices to sell PLEX because they need to milk eve as much as possible for other projects.
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-06-05 22:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Matilda Cecilia Fock
Alewx wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
TMC reports that also CCP Xhagen and CCP Loxy are gone.What?

Unless I'm wrong, CCP fired 19 developers in december, 56 in april, and now 49. That's a good bunch of people.




That is about 1/5 off the overall employees...
But nooooo of course EVE will not be affected....[Sarcasm]
I really was believing in CCP having something different than other companies.
PLEX, NEX, Collectors Editions that all sympthoms of the same problem that already began years ago.
CCP was once almost down, but they got back up.

EVE is 10 Years older than Star Citizien, it is indeed already online, but still can not get enough cash from the players?
Is the SC community bigger, stronger or giving more? Is RSI lieing about the cash, or is there again a myserious Investment in the background?

Monthly payment for playing alone is not enough to keep it up, so PLEX came, but still it is not enough and than NEX came and also the Rebellion. 10 years of great big game and unique universe, so isn't EVE worth it?

All are talking so big that something was done wrong, that it would have to be done different in the past, but what the hell, do you all have running game companies for more than 10 years, without mistakes? Anyone, please step forward.

It is not just CCP that is having problems it is the whole industrie, but EVE should be ahead of this problems and show solutions. Like the CSM there has to be something unique a bond and contract between company and community. None of them can stand alone. We like the game we want to play it, so than we as community should also give them the founding to run the game, and develop it.
In fact we have the CSM so why isn't there already planing and discussion about how to keep on?


The amount of players online stagnated after dipping with Incarna and bouncing up with Crucible, and now it's going down. It's easy to guess that less players online means that they also aren't paying subscriptions and so CCP is losing revenue.

These days, seeing Kronos launch, I've been under a strong impression of living a Crucible event -CCP doing the 110% and getting players back to the game after rough weather... But the cold hard fact is that PCU in May has been 7,000 players below that of 2013. Mind you, it's 7,000 out of 35,000 just one year ago, or 20% less players.

And the question is: what else can CCP do? Kronos is a great patch, but certainly I will not resub any of my accounts over it, nor over Crius, nor over anything they've planned to release until 2016.

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.

RaZZZZia
Bundesanstalt fuer Materialforschung und -pruefung
#66 - 2014-06-05 22:31:32 UTC
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:


And the question is: what else can CCP do? Kronos is a great patch, but certainly I will not resub any of my accounts over it, nor over Crius, nor over anything they've planned to release until 2016.


no another two goodones of the 6week releases in a row and my guess would be that we would see a slight but steady increase in online peeps. take into account that june-september are pretty weak months anyway.

add the drama that is to be expected with the economic changes and we should see more people due to press coverage, etc.


Xenuria
#67 - 2014-06-05 22:42:29 UTC
Pj Harvey wrote:
I was wondering myself the last few weeks after coming back from an extended absence, how everything in eve is has been 'adjusted' to be 2x to 4x the price. When I left a bs was 60 mil, a mindlink was 5 mil and a cruiser was 4 mil. It seems CCP have been artificially raising in-game prices to sell PLEX because they need to milk eve as much as possible for other projects.


And people call me crazy....

I been crowing about this for years.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#68 - 2014-06-05 22:45:49 UTC
Multiple character training.
Near-complete removal of lore development.
Removal of older lore assets.
Layoffs.
Recall program.
Up-tempo development cycle.
Immediate 2015 FanFest ticket sales.
Cash Shop.
More layoffs.

Someone needs to shore up their cash position. Someone's courting investors or purchasers.
Adrie Atticus
Circle Mercs
#69 - 2014-06-05 22:48:01 UTC
Pj Harvey wrote:
I was wondering myself the last few weeks after coming back from an extended absence, how everything in eve is has been 'adjusted' to be 2x to 4x the price. When I left a bs was 60 mil, a mindlink was 5 mil and a cruiser was 4 mil. It seems CCP have been artificially raising in-game prices to sell PLEX because they need to milk eve as much as possible for other projects.


You heard it here first, CCP inflated the price of Tritanium to get more PLEX sales.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
The Watchmen.
#70 - 2014-06-05 23:10:07 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oh my ******* god, you people. Stop acting like this is the first time a software company has ever done this.

I don't even work in the industry (yet) and I know full well to expect this kind of thing from pretty much anywhere I'd go. Nothing about the linked article surprises me either.

See, the thing is.. They devs have twitters and reddits, and there is all this social bonding.. we even go to Fanfest where we get to meet the devs in person...
They aren't some random devs to us anymore, they are 'our' devs. Kind of.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#71 - 2014-06-05 23:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Temporarily locked for some cleanup.

Okay, false alarm. Removed a post for rumor mongering and attacks against a CCP employee. Thread unlocked.

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#72 - 2014-06-05 23:15:33 UTC
Also, I'll miss you, CCP Eterne <3

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#73 - 2014-06-05 23:26:02 UTC
Will CCP be issuing a statement about the accusations leveled against it by some departing and departed staff in the gaming media? Or at least allow us a thread to discuss it without said thread being locked as 'rumor' no matter that it's being reported in the media as 'fact'?
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2014-06-05 23:43:56 UTC
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I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, ‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’ He hissed on his ******* fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.


Hah! What does that even mean?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2014-06-06 00:05:58 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Multiple character training.

A feature that has been requested many, many times and which has no drawbacks.

Domanique Altares wrote:
Layoffs.
More layoffs.

Normal, especially in the wake of a cancelled project.

Domanique Altares wrote:
Recall program.

This is not new. CCP has had incentives for returning players before.

Domanique Altares wrote:
Up-tempo development cycle.

I can't even think of any downside to this, and there are plenty of upsides. It's certainly not indicative of a dying game or a failing company.

Domanique Altares wrote:
Immediate 2015 FanFest ticket sales.
Cash Shop.

The same number of tickets are available as before. They've all sold before and they'll all sell again. This doesn't make them any more money.
The cash shop has been in the game for almost three years now. There's no reason not to have cosmetic microtransactions. Putting this as a detractor is dumb.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#76 - 2014-06-06 00:38:16 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Putting this as a detractor is dumb.


Taking everything I said as a negative is dumb.

These are ways that a smart business betters its cash position prior to trying to bring on additional investors.

Why must you always be so negative?
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#77 - 2014-06-06 00:47:42 UTC
Very sad to hear about the layoffs and hope everyone effected moves on to successful endeavors.



Pretty sure we don't need an official response from CCP, as we know who will actually be writing it.

I truly hope this is the end of layoffs. It sounded like there was some deep internal issues within CCP and hopefully those left are a cohesive bunch. They need to get profitable, they do no one any good if they go under or continuously struggle. Did senior management screw up.... Big time. But many companies may have never recovered from an "Incarna", CCP did. Hopefully there have been some egos trimmed (if not slashed) at the senior level, and the next shiny they see will be dealt with accordingly.

All of CCP deserve huge credit for Eve. I just hope there are enough of the right people left.

EVE: All about Flying Frisky and Making Iskie

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2014-06-06 00:51:47 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Putting this as a detractor is dumb.


Taking everything I said as a negative is dumb.

These are ways that a smart business betters its cash position prior to trying to bring on additional investors.

Why must you always be so negative?

Look at where your post is. It's not dumb to interpret your post as negative when it's worded ambiguously and surrounded by other negative posts.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#79 - 2014-06-06 00:57:19 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Putting this as a detractor is dumb.


Taking everything I said as a negative is dumb.

These are ways that a smart business betters its cash position prior to trying to bring on additional investors.

Why must you always be so negative?

Look at where your post is. It's not dumb to interpret your post as negative when it's worded ambiguously and surrounded by other negative posts.


Reading things into an 'ambiguous' post is never a good sign. It's probably time to take a step back; the negativity seems to be affecting you.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2014-06-06 01:29:50 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Putting this as a detractor is dumb.


Taking everything I said as a negative is dumb.

These are ways that a smart business betters its cash position prior to trying to bring on additional investors.

Why must you always be so negative?

Look at where your post is. It's not dumb to interpret your post as negative when it's worded ambiguously and surrounded by other negative posts.


Reading things into an 'ambiguous' post is never a good sign. It's probably time to take a step back; the negativity seems to be affecting you.

Your post sounds like every other "CCP is just grabbing for cash" post I see on GD every day.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)