These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Missions & Complexes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Why cant the Kronos do it as well?

First post
Author
Kevben
Pan Galactic Ancient Tech Institute
#1 - 2014-06-05 14:09:10 UTC
Every time I try to get in incursions with my Kronos everyone says no or ignores me, even fully faction / deadspace fit.

What the hell is so wrong with the kronos that it cant do incursions?
Sato Page
Auctor Illuminatas Infinitum
Ashfell Federation
#2 - 2014-06-05 14:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Sato Page
Just buy a vindi like everyone else. Kronos, used to be ideal for incursion but the 90% web nerf ruined it.

Dinsdale Pirannha for [u]CEO [/u]of [u]CCP[/u]

Kevben
Pan Galactic Ancient Tech Institute
#3 - 2014-06-05 14:36:57 UTC
Sato Page wrote:
Just buy a vindi like everyone else. Kronos, used to be ideal for incursion but the 90% web nerf ruined it.


I don't want to cross train though thats the problem, I am 100% maxing out gallente skill line before I do anything cross race.

so just because of a web nurf makes this ship unuseable for incursions.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#4 - 2014-06-05 14:38:25 UTC
I am just looking at it (Kronos) in Eve-HQ fitter and I don't see a problem with it, a well fit Kronos will do an easy 1500 dps out to 18km and 1000dps out to 50km pretty easily. The tank though thin on shield (only 9k) is still more than enough for an attentive pilot to manage well, additionally it can do something a Vindicator can't; Be cap stable with the guns running forever, even run a Large Energy transfer or Large shield transfer for 3 minutes with the guns. 4 utility High slots left over and you have an excellent ship for a good FC to take advantage of.

So I have to ask who did you try to fleet up with? It could be the group you're trying doesn't use it so they don't know what it can do. Try some of the other groups and send a mail to 'Sentenced 1989' he likes changing things up and trying new ideas he probably can get you in one of his fleets.

List of groups that I know of link.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Kevben
Pan Galactic Ancient Tech Institute
#5 - 2014-06-05 14:41:06 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:

So I have to ask who did you try to fleet up with? It could be the group you're trying doesn't use it so they don't know what it can do. Try some of the other groups and send a mail to 'Sentenced 1989' he likes changing things up and trying new ideas he probably can get you in one of his fleets.
.


The Valhalla Project, they say they wont take a kronos cause it will get insta popped and I find that BS since I see them in fleets before.
Sato Page
Auctor Illuminatas Infinitum
Ashfell Federation
#6 - 2014-06-05 14:44:14 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
I am just looking at it (Kronos) in Eve-HQ fitter and I don't see a problem with it, a well fit Kronos will do an easy 1500 dps out to 18km and 1000dps out to 50km pretty easily. The tank though thin on shield (only 9k) is still more than enough for an attentive pilot to manage well, additionally it can do something a Vindicator can't; Be cap stable with the guns running forever, even run a Large Energy transfer or Large shield transfer for 3 minutes with the guns. 4 utility High slots left over and you have an excellent ship for a good FC to take advantage of.

So I have to ask who did you try to fleet up with? It could be the group you're trying doesn't use it so they don't know what it can do. Try some of the other groups and send a mail to 'Sentenced 1989' he likes changing things up and trying new ideas he probably can get you in one of his fleets.

List of groups that I know of link.


DPS is only a part of the problem, the 90% web vindi has is extreamly OP and must be nerfed into oblivion ASAP. Two 90% web on a frig and your blaster can hit it perfectly!

Dinsdale Pirannha for [u]CEO [/u]of [u]CCP[/u]

Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#7 - 2014-06-05 14:45:05 UTC
Kevben wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:

So I have to ask who did you try to fleet up with? It could be the group you're trying doesn't use it so they don't know what it can do. Try some of the other groups and send a mail to 'Sentenced 1989' he likes changing things up and trying new ideas he probably can get you in one of his fleets.
.


The Valhalla Project, they say they wont take a kronos cause it will get insta popped and I find that BS since I see them in fleets before.

Don't take it personal, TVP could manage to get a Nagalfar insta popped somedays.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Kevben
Pan Galactic Ancient Tech Institute
#8 - 2014-06-05 14:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kevben
Goldiiee wrote:
Kevben wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:

So I have to ask who did you try to fleet up with? It could be the group you're trying doesn't use it so they don't know what it can do. Try some of the other groups and send a mail to 'Sentenced 1989' he likes changing things up and trying new ideas he probably can get you in one of his fleets.
.


The Valhalla Project, they say they wont take a kronos cause it will get insta popped and I find that BS since I see them in fleets before.

Don't take it personal, TVP could manage to get a Nagalfar insta popped somedays.



I want to do incursions, but no one wants my kronos, and my mega navy issue has a hard time getting into fleets cause the better ships get picked up before me.

and how the hell did they get a dread insta popped
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#9 - 2014-06-05 14:50:36 UTC
Kevben wrote:



I want to do incursions, but no one wants my kronos, and my mega navy issue has a hard time getting into fleets cause the better ships get picked up before me.

Like I said shoot Sentenced an email, if he's on at the same time as you he will probably be more than happy to get you in making ISK. Another good FC to get in touch with is 'Jill Antaris' with open Incursions, she/he runs everything from Drakes to Rattlesnakes.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Numba2 Special
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-06-05 15:58:02 UTC
One thing to keep in mind with TVP is that it is a large community with a lot of FCs. They obviously work to be consistent, but there are always some FCs who are less open-minded than others. You may be able to get an invite if you try to join with a more flexible FC. There is a Kronos fit listed on their site so it's not a ship that the channel as a whole rejects out of hand.

That said, unless you have an aversion to cross-training based on principle, in the absolute worst-case scenario (no Per/Will implants, fully remapped away from Per/Will) it's a 4 day train to Minmatar Battleship I. Minmatar BS skill only improves your web strength in a Vindicator, so even at level I you'll be better in every meaningful way in a Vindicator than you are in a Kronos.
FunGu Arsten
B52 Bombers
#11 - 2014-06-05 16:15:05 UTC
OP,

get a vindi ( you obviously have the skills for it) , and people will go silly to get you in an HQ fleet.
Kronos wont cut it, wont get you in fleet, whatever -

so in short, if you wanne fly a kronos do it somewhere else? buy a vindi and you'll get insta invited.
That is (sadly) how it works. if a FC isn't comfy with your ship, doesn't like it, just doesn't run his fleets to make best use of your ship.. then you wont get in.

I run paladins, i love them, but i know i need to change to a nightmare to get in a HQ fleet - thats life but you dont seem to get the hints given...

That all said, i hope you find a fleet for your kronos to shine in... but 600-700dps difference in an HQ is alot on towerbashes - hence why vindi >>> kronos.

o/ just get a vindi ;)
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-06-05 16:49:02 UTC
I have seen fleets of bastion mode MJD marauders run vanguard sites and even edge out traditional shield fleets on occasion. Its not exactly a common fleet comp but it does exist.
FunGu Arsten
B52 Bombers
#13 - 2014-06-05 17:07:28 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
I have seen fleets of bastion mode MJD marauders run vanguard sites and even edge out traditional shield fleets on occasion. Its not exactly a common fleet comp but it does exist.


mauraders are beast for VGs, for HQs and assault.. vindi outperforms a kronos...
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#14 - 2014-06-05 17:35:01 UTC
Because 95%+ of incursion runners are elitist assholes.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-06-05 19:32:50 UTC
Vindi is better than Kronos. Better speed and better DPS. Better tank too if you are using a shield Vindi. Web bonus also makes it more preferable.

Having said that, the Kronos does bring other things to the fleet. 4 utility highslots and better range application. I'm sure they get picked, but if you are Xing up alongside people who are Xing up in Vindis; then the FC is going to pick speedy, better DPS BS as this allows them to complete sites quicker.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#16 - 2014-06-05 22:39:13 UTC
Removed an off topic post.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Omnathious Deninard
Ministry of Silly Walks.
Parasitic Legion.
#17 - 2014-06-05 22:44:15 UTC
While easier said than done, start your own incursion group.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#18 - 2014-06-06 03:48:49 UTC
Helix will also take it, especially if you can fit rails and see an Assault fleet going up. While we don't recommend them because for HQ and VG they are less than optimal, it is a shiny preferred channel with FCs who tend to think first and jerk knees second.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Xasnevian
sadfadsfadsadsf
#19 - 2014-06-06 08:29:35 UTC
Kevben wrote:
I want to do incursions, but no one wants my kronos, and my mega navy issue has a hard time getting into fleets cause the better ships get picked up before me.


OP, if they don't want your kronos, maybe try another incursion group. I'm flying logi with TDF (chatchannel = "The Ditanian Fleet") and I find myself repping a kronos every now and then.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#20 - 2014-06-06 11:27:29 UTC
Xasnevian wrote:
Kevben wrote:
I want to do incursions, but no one wants my kronos, and my mega navy issue has a hard time getting into fleets cause the better ships get picked up before me.


OP, if they don't want your kronos, maybe try another incursion group. I'm flying logi with TDF (chatchannel = "The Ditanian Fleet") and I find myself repping a kronos every now and then.

No offense to TDF, but if he already has DS shield modules, its likely that he's pretty comfy in shield, and with full shiny. A much better place (TZ provided) for a full shiny fleet with a reliably good FC corps is OIC.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

12Next page