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EVE 0.0 political landscape explained

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Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#1 - 2014-06-05 13:31:13 UTC
If you are at a festival where there are 21 toilets owned by 21 different toilet rental companies of which some are free to use and others cost 50 cents, everyone go's to the free ones and the charging ones probaly dont make much profit.

If you are at a fesival where there are 21 toilets owned by 3 differerent toilet rental companies (7 each) of which they agreed to make a fixed price of 1 dollar for each visit, than they would make a hugh profit because the festival visitors wont have any choise.

I dont know how it is called in english (and i am kinda a noob), but that seems like a pretty good sceme.

If this would be a real live case where the first situation is 5 years before the last given situation than i would wonder "what happend?". I would question myselve why only the surviving 3 toilet rental companies are left and if they would have a common factor that tributed to their survival. In a monetairy game where isk is power, it is more likely by having moar isk than the competitor. Looking at this logic and reflecting on eve; the deciding factor must lies in the early moments where the 3 surviving toilet rental companies gained a head start. The reson why is than simply found. So why is the current state of 0.0 so ****?


"Yadi-yadi-ya"

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-05 13:33:43 UTC
Are you talking about toilet cartels?

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Rende Crow
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#3 - 2014-06-05 13:39:36 UTC
Are Monopoly's bad? Yes.

Will complaining about all the rental corps on the forums change anything? No.

At the end of the day if you really want to be free of the mega corps who have taken over null sec space you simply need to find a very OUT OF THE WAY location to live in 0.0. For instance a place with the closest medical station 15 jumps away or something.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#4 - 2014-06-05 13:41:28 UTC
1) Toilets are a necessity, owning systems isnt

2) Your example is flawed. Where are those whining they can't make their own toilets?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#5 - 2014-06-05 13:42:37 UTC
Rende Crow wrote:
Are Monopolies bad?


Depends.

Do all the Nulliances charge the same for rental space?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#6 - 2014-06-05 13:43:14 UTC
If you want me to pay for a toilet you better give me beer for free.

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#7 - 2014-06-05 13:43:43 UTC
Nice analogy. I disagree with it explaining current nullsec affairs.

I believe the whole renting thing evolved rather than being setup with a plan.

Each time a nullsec power was defeated its remaining elements were absorbed by the existing ones. As time went on, these blocks became bigger. At some point blocks banded together to properly defend themselves from a succesfull rival that grabbed large pieces of space and absorbed many players from already big blocks.

Parts of those old blocks liked their space tho. Liked being a nullsec. So what if they paid the ones that took it away, not to do so again? It may technically stop being their space. But... does that matter if you're not out there to build supers and titans. Do you really NEED sov?
Other who are not interested in "empirebuilding" but do like the lack of forced mechanics were able to jump in on that by joining these "rental alliances".

As years passed and experience with both renting and managing an empire grew; this ended with 3 toiletrental companies having eaten all the others. Which gives them the monopolizing ability you described.

I believe this will continue until all is dominated by 1 group. At which point this will become the fifth empire and those in it will be truly carebears in a player created h-sec.

What happens then... Not sure, but I'm already setting up the popcorn :)
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#8 - 2014-06-05 13:48:32 UTC
What a crappy thread.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2014-06-05 15:55:56 UTC
Grrrrr Port-a-pottys.






Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#10 - 2014-06-05 18:20:28 UTC
Posting in a.......................do not poo thread?What?

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CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
#11 - 2014-06-05 18:31:06 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

1) Toilets are a necessity


So says you P
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#12 - 2014-06-05 19:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DrSmegma
Trin Javidan wrote:
So why is the current state of 0.0 so ****?

Because it's all about the toilets, obviously.

I say we ask Diarrhea Face about this whole affair.
And this guy can surely help us with his expertise too.

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-06-05 19:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Trin Javidan wrote:
If you are at a festival where there are 21 toilets owned by 21 different toilet rental companies of which some are free to use and others cost 50 cents, everyone go's to the free ones and the charging ones probaly dont make much profit.


If at said festival you have plenty of food vendors that serve all kinds of very spicy foods with lots of hot sauces... it won't matter what it costs to use the toilet. People will pay it because their bowels are about to go critical and there are only "x" number of toilets available.

Fun times.

Roll

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#14 - 2014-06-05 19:32:52 UTC
I'll explain it better:

Dunkin Donuts and Krispy Kreme split Eve City's suburbs into two indistinct areas. Up near the police headquarters is a mom and pop bakery, but nobody takes them seriously. On occasion, they will send trucks to the other's territory to see if they can catch a delivery in progress. The general populous as a whole would rather cluster up in the McDonald's in the city proper, but they feel safer about it despite the crime rate.

What we have here is a Blueberry Doughnut of Biblical proportions and I am going to DQ.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#15 - 2014-06-05 20:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
We need some sort of browser plugin that will force you to breathe into a breathalyzer before hitting "POST"
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-06-05 20:09:45 UTC
Human beings are motivated to amass resources through violence, and then pool these resources into a central location where they can live at peace and pursue the things that really matter in life.. family, hobbies, pleasure.

Rome was such a place, guarded and the center of culture and riches. Everywhere else in the world Romans incited violence and subjugation, carrying off everything that would be needed for Rome to continue being an isolated pocket of wealth and extravagance.

People talked a lot about bringing Rome down. Hannibal came within sight of Rome, after devastating the last line of defense the city had at Cannae. And even Hannibal doubted himself, backed away from what could have been the sacking of Rome, and spent the last years of his life evading Romans on their own continent.

So my question is.. we all blame the donut, but would any of us do it differently? Power is acquired so we can protect the things and people we love. If you really want to do something about it, be the instrument of change and go bring it down. But seriously, stop whining for CCP to do it for you.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

sally Deninard
mss industry
#17 - 2014-06-05 20:41:10 UTC
Trin Javidan wrote:
If you are at a festival where there are 21 toilets owned by 21 different toilet rental companies of which some are free to use and others cost 50 cents, everyone go's to the free ones and the charging ones probaly dont make much profit."


If you are at a festival where there are 21 toilets owned by 21 different toilet rental companies of which some are free to use and others cost 50 cents you go and sh*t in the hedge. Festival toilets are appalling. I went to phoenix in the UK in 1996 (i think) and managed to not crap for 5 days. Reading 94..... no just no.... the flashbacks.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#18 - 2014-06-05 20:47:52 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Human beings are motivated to amass resources through violence, and then pool these resources into a central location where they can live at peace and pursue the things that really matter in life.. family, hobbies, pleasure.

Rome was such a place, guarded and the center of culture and riches. Everywhere else in the world Romans incited violence and subjugation, carrying off everything that would be needed for Rome to continue being an isolated pocket of wealth and extravagance.

People talked a lot about bringing Rome down. Hannibal came within sight of Rome, after devastating the last line of defense the city had at Cannae. And even Hannibal doubted himself, backed away from what could have been the sacking of Rome, and spent the last years of his life evading Romans on their own continent.

So my question is.. we all blame the donut, but would any of us do it differently? Power is acquired so we can protect the things and people we love. If you really want to do something about it, be the instrument of change and go bring it down. But seriously, stop whining for CCP to do it for you.


Truedat

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jamagh
Grand Violations
#19 - 2014-06-05 20:57:30 UTC
I am not going to pay to use the toilet when the bushes are free.

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Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-06-05 20:58:59 UTC
Perhaps we simply need to start a RAID NULLSEC month every year. All the corporations and players in highsec will stop everything they are doing and pick an area to raid on a massive scale for some truly epic PVP action!

We rush in and wipe out everything in site including POS sites.
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