Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Baltec1,

Not a matter of HP. It's just much easier to kill two sentry drones instead of five. It's about targeting two instead of five.

Why imballance ? Just keep the 275% for the sentry and heavy and not for small and medium. Just five more lines of code, I assure you, something like

IF heavy_attack .or. sentry
maxdrones = 2
ELSE
maxdrones = 5
ENDIF

It's a stupid and severe nerf. I didn't complain about drone bay space. It's about bandwidth. Why not let people use 5 heavy ECM drones or other heavy utility drones ?

I suspect that a lot more Rattlers are used in PvE than PvP...so yeah, it would seem to me that their PvE performance is indeed relevant.

So, thumbs up or thumbs down on the new Rattlesnake?

Down, both thumbs.

Hmm, this post seems very familiar. Sure you don't feel an urge to call someone a clown or claim they have embarrassed themselves enough? I am not sure when a half rack of range bonused missiles became good against large targets, but whatever. Lighter drones do have a place in a drone ship's arsenal, but it's a secondary function at best.

The new RS has the same utility as the old one, with the described roles of the weapons reversed. Use the large drones on large targets, and fit smaller launchers for smaller targets. Smaller launchers won't lose damage to large targets the way large drones will to small targets, and a full rack for large drones handles most cruisers and larger with ease. The option remains to just use larger missiles on smaller targets too-- it's not efficient ammo use, but it does work. That whole "something being less good than absolute best is still not useless except in internet fights" again.

Micromanaging is a thing that is a problem. Other weapons are actually just as bad, they just don't target themselves the way drones will. Complaining about micromanagement on drones is complaining about one of their advantages. MIssiles lend themselves to being micromanaged because their damage is so predictable. You don't have to do it, but you lose efficiency when you don't.

The Rattlesnake has issues, but they lie in a weak bonus to the large drones.

Sooooo.....

After a day of missioning. The sky did not fall. RS is different, same-ish dps, better damage from cruises, (using precisions a lot more to make up for meh light drones).

Gecko dps dropped, which we knew would happen.

Still would like the cargo bay to go up by the same m3 the drone bay went down, or even better, 225 m3 drone bay, and balanced cargo bay increase to make up for higher missile usage.

But over 1k fit window dps on a passive fit that will tank any L4 in it's sleep, which will only climb a bit more as I eventually max out the relevant skills?


Fine by me. Loss of drone flexibility is a pain, not having spares etc. Thus the utterly reasonable request for 50 m3 more.
I can live with it. Certainly won't be selling either

Rattlesnake looked good until I saw it only has 50 bandwidth. WTF is this? Rattlesnake nerf? Useless all Grista ships are now. Huge nerf to dronebays. Nice damage and HP for the drones but can't use 5 drones and the drone bay was reduced by more then 50%. Pirate ship drone boat nerf of 2014. Clear you all hate drones. Less drones in space the better is BS!

Thumbs up on the improvements to Missiles, That overall is good, The reduced range is not so nice, a little too much waiting with precisions, Sentries even longer after losing a DLA, but overall not really missed too much, just less pleasant to use.

On the drone side a strong thumbs down, I really do not like the way that if one heavy gets webbed, you have lost half your Drone damage or all of it if a Gecko, and not really enough space to carry replacements.
You will lose more so reducing the size of drone bay was an over severe negative.

Heavy drones really are almost incapable at dealing with frigates. It is still suicidal to launch heavies while there is anything capable of webbing them. that rules them out for tackling small targets. they are not an alternative to lights.
It is also much slower to to kill things with lights now, Whilst that is no worse than other missile boats, what is a problem is you have no spares on board (well you can but then insufficient heavies and sentries.).
Regarding lights and heavies, they get popped and damaged easier too, so without spares, I now find it really unpleasant dealing with small rats.

I like the increased damage overall, but it really is a much less pleasant ship to use, I know that is subjective, but that is what leaves a lasting impression. It also now feels it requires far more "management" Just to function, and even more to use efficiently, and that is NOT an improvement.

My initial impressions on Sisi have unfortunately been confirmed on the live server, and are really making me question whether I wish to continue using it. There is more damage available, but I find the time waiting for rats to come into range, moving towards them, unmatched ranges between drone and missile, handling loss and damage of drones,wastes that, and all of these factors,make me think that the ship has had it's day and it is time to use one of my others.

Before all the cries from the trolls that I am doing it wrong, you are quite possibly correct, and I do not care.

I will just do it wrong in a better ship. This one is no longer the most suitable for me.

I will wait a little to see if the reaction to the changes, has some effect and either an improvement to heavy drone tracking, and hit points or a part restoration of drone bay with the bonus to light drones, is restored in some way.

But it will sit in the hanger in the meantime.

why do players like you insist on having a ship play a dedicated role, is it to seem like you know what your doing? None of your input makes any sense please stop.

What do you mean "sentries on rattle really????"
yes, obviously. The bonuses it had before seemed adequate. It is the same ship (thankfully) just different bonuses.

You launch two heavy drones with the firepower and tank of 7.5 heavies. You no not need more than 50 bandwidth. Equally you do not need 125 m3 of dronebay per flight of heavies so you dont get the 400m3 of dronebay.