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So EVE is becoming just a rental universe now is it?
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#141 - 2014-06-04 17:49:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
March rabbit wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I agree with the OP somewhat, in the sense that large coalititions owning all this space and renting it out just creates an even bigger hurlde to act in defiance of the renting principle. When I look at the effort involved in dethroning these alliances I run into a tiny little problem called having a life and basicly not caring enough about a video game to spend the time / effort required to even make a dent in their dominion. I guess it's the same for most other players, so nobody is going to realisticly stop them.

I have started Eve about 3 years ago, and untill this very day you will have to pay me handsomely to bother with anyone else's nullsec power fantasy. The one time I've been in a nullsec alliance I hated everything about it, from the impossible logistics for newbies to the raging sperglords making dubious demands. To me, nullsec isn't even part of the game I play. It's another game that exists next to mine and occasionally spills over. Whatever happens in nullsec... I just don't care, I'm never going back anyway.

Too much of a casual to give a ****. RL says **** nullsec.


Are you arguing that because you don't play the game as much as others, CCP should reward you by making it easier for you to take and hold sovereignty? That's a terrible excuse for why you don't do anything in game. The people controlling null sec now put in the time and effort to take control of such huge swathes of space, and you should have to put in at least as much time and effort to take it from them, plain and simple.

he didn't say things you arguing with


Thank you. I do indeed not think CCP should anything. I just don't care because it's simply something I lack the time for so it's not something I even remotely consider feasable or fun. And as such I abstain from caring about sov. Please don't jump to conclusions, I enjoy Eve Online in much smaller tidbits of playtime and have found a suitable niche for myself outside of hisec. I don't need nullsec to enjoy myself, but I'm glad it exists for others with more time to enjoy.

You know what I think about those people who do the effort? Chapeau, well done, I clap from the sidelines and enjoy the show on Youtube. Just don't expect me to do the same or overly care who owns what. For the sake of discussion, the effort involved is offputting enough to not desire the reward at all.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2014-06-04 19:06:34 UTC
Slumlords Online.

Thanks Alot Goons.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#143 - 2014-06-04 19:11:49 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Grrrr.


cool story

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#144 - 2014-06-04 19:31:17 UTC
The real problem is everyone but the CFC is a raging sperglord.

CFC is pretty laid back and helpful.

So everyone who refuses to join the CFC b/c of some contrived hate for goons (deserved or not) is going to run into ragers and bosses.

Not today spaghetti.
Alternative Splicing
Captain Content and The Contenteers
#145 - 2014-06-04 20:41:32 UTC
Zappity wrote:
According to CCP, "the outer regions are a swirling maelstrom of capsuleer empires rising and falling in titanic struggles for power".

The rental empires are an embarrassment for the game design.


Yes, but the rental empires are a symptom, not the disease. Power projection is the disease. If you reset the game with the present capital and sov mechanics you would most likely get the same result with different names. It's almost assuredly an unintended consequence and not deliberate design. The game could be so much more, and so much more interesting if the mechanics did not dictate the present state of affairs.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#146 - 2014-06-04 20:42:51 UTC
When two rental groups have a disagreement, are they allowed to fight?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#147 - 2014-06-04 20:47:16 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
When two rental groups have a disagreement, are they allowed to fight?

They get herded into a deadspace area where they need to fight it out with ships given to them by their overlords and the whole thing is streamed live for the royalty's and the peons' amusement.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#148 - 2014-06-04 20:57:51 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
When two rental groups have a disagreement, are they allowed to fight?

They get herded into a deadspace area where they need to fight it out with ships given to them by their overlords and the whole thing is streamed live for the royalty's and the peons' amusement.


*sniff* truly it is a wondrous time we live in

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#149 - 2014-06-04 21:09:52 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile



I warned CCP about this issue about a week after they "Fixed moongoo" and made technetium the "new thing".

I warned them multiple times on this forum with several alts and good contructive feedback post.

I betted with friends that they were too not smart to do something about it.


And i was right. Not that i care anymore tbh, hardly play anymore.... but hey look it from the brite side; "There are moar carebear tears to farm!!"


It is the transition from the "small eve harsh game" to "larger softer game for a bigger audiance".

Unfortualy eve is a monatairy game where having ISK is everything (in short; having power). Once obtained a certain amount, there is a possibility to just getinto/buy/hire/bribe more isk inform of whatever new thing is to be implementend to inprove the old mechanics. Therefor the butterfly effect prevents EVE being a "small harsh environtment" ever again.

Haha CCP told you so! Big smileBig smileBig smileLolLolLol
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#150 - 2014-06-04 21:12:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
It's not as if it's untrue

3 of the 4 top alliances by systems held are renter alliances. PBLRD, NA. and B0T combined are nearly equal in membership to the 3 largest PvP alliances.

This is worse than technetium.



And ppl still wonder why the PLEX price is so high LolLol
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#151 - 2014-06-04 21:13:05 UTC
Trin Javidan wrote:
Not that i care anymore tbh


Me neither

What were you saying?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#152 - 2014-06-04 21:35:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Trin Javidan
A simple explanation:

If you are at a festival where there are 21 toilets owned by 21 different toilet rental companies of which some are free to use and others cost 50 cents, everyone go's to the free ones and the charging ones probaly dont make much profit.

If you are at a fesival where there are 21 toilets owned by 3 differerent toilet rental companies (7 each) of which they agreed to make a fixed price of 1 dollar for each visit, than they would make a hugh profit because the festival visitors wont have any choise.

I dont know how it is called in english (and i am kinda a noob), but that seems like a pretty good sceme.

If this would be a real live case where the first situation is 5 years before the last given situation than i would wonder "what happend?". I would question myselve why only the surviving 3 toilet rental companies are left and if they would have a common factor that tributed to their survival. In a monetairy game where isk is power, it is more likely by having moar isk than the competitor. Looking at this logic and reflecting on eve; the deciding factor must lies in the early moments where the 3 surviving toilet rental companies gained a head start. The reson why s than simply found.


"Yadi-yadi-ya"

Ps: "oh and it starts with a T"
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#153 - 2014-06-04 21:37:38 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Trin Javidan wrote:
Not that i care anymore tbh


Me neither

What were you saying?


The damage control alts seems active today
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#154 - 2014-06-04 21:39:53 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile


Hmm. Where have you been? It's been game over for some time now.

So now you can carebear in null, don't attack goons because they will be all over the forums crying.

Or go to npc null and low sec. It is the only thing left.
Lady Areola Fappington
#155 - 2014-06-04 22:34:58 UTC
I may be wrong, but a few years back, wasn't one of the heug complaints that the typical small/midsize alliances couldn't get into nullsec coz the big meanie sov holders kept everything on lockdown?

Well now we have B0TLRD, and small/mid size alliances can just cough up some ISK and be right in the middle of the swirling nullsec action!

I'm so glad gewnz and PL are both doing their parts in helping introduce nullsec living to more and more people. Truely the saviours of EVE Online

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#156 - 2014-06-04 23:42:18 UTC
Trin Javidan wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Trin Javidan wrote:
Not that i care anymore tbh


Me neither

What were you saying?


The damage control alts seems active today


Damage Control II works best when active, yes

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#157 - 2014-06-04 23:43:57 UTC
Well, dunno about the rest of you but I have some awesome beachfront wormhole rental properties... the sun never sets and the girls are always pretty... CALL NOW for your little corner of sand and surf for one low, low monthly price. ! ! ! !

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2014-06-05 00:58:18 UTC
Nullsec the Highsec 2.0

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Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2014-06-05 01:04:49 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
When two rental groups have a disagreement, are they allowed to fight?

They get herded into a deadspace area where they need to fight it out with ships given to them by their overlords and the whole thing is streamed live for the royalty's and the peons' amusement.


"Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant"
Adunh Slavy
#160 - 2014-06-05 01:09:45 UTC
Why is anyone surprised? Despite the fact that the Eve economy runs on destruction, individuals do what they can to maximize their wealth. Not getting your ships blown up is a sure way to maximize wealth.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt