EVE General Discussion

How can you prove that EVE is not a regular real life MMO game? In other words, is it possible to give a proof of EVE is a mutliverse?

I'm not entirely sure what you are asking but I can say that our own 'real life' is probably a computer simulation/game.

If you believe it will be possible at any point in the future to simulate reality such as for the simulation to be indistinguishable from real sensory experience, then the chances of our experiences taking place in the single real world rather than in one of the many simulations is extremely small (and diminishes further for every simulation instance you think could ever exist).

For recent work dedicated to developing scientific tests for the hypothesis that our experienced world is a simulation this may be a useful starting point.

Of course that doesn't mean that EvE is the one real reality but it does open up the possibility that we are living in a game being played by people like the pilots in EvE.

Why crash his hopes? Educate the man!

Ahem - "The multiverse (or meta-universe) is the hypothetical set of infinite or finite possible universes (including the historical universe we consistently experience) that together comprise everything that exists and can exist: the entirety of space, time, matter, and energy as well as the physical laws and constants that describe them. The various universes within the multiverse are sometimes called parallel universes."

Now depends what exactly you mean by Multiverse - if you affirm that High-Sec, Low-Sec and Null-Sec are parallel universes, self-contained and bound within EVE - then I guess EVE is a Multiverse.
HOWEVER - the various universes within the multivers have something in common - they are self-sustained and self-contained. This statement transposed onto EVE and it's various "parallel universes" is however false as the "parallel universes" are not self-sustained and self-contained. There is an interdependence between them - Null depends on Low which depends on High. As an example - most production is done in High-Sec and then offered for consumption to the great metal behemoths in Null and Low. your EVE-existence begins in High from where you have a choice to partake either in Null or Low.
So in lay-man's terms EVE can be considered a pseudo-parallel-universe or a virtual-parallel-universe of our universe.

A friend of mine studying Sociology is doing his thesis on EVE and calls it a "meta-game" in which the "player" assumes a "para-existence". Meta-game because it has evolved beyond anything that is considered "normal or classical" gaming and "para-existence" because to most EVE players the universe of EVE is like a second life, separate but alongside their normal existence (if I remember correctly). This distinction and separation from what is considered "classical" games, stems from the fact that in EVE the "player" is not bound by strict initial conditions (you are not the "baddie" or the "goodie", the rich or the poor, the favorite or the outcast, and most importantly there is no end-goal - slay "X" ).
In essence EVE is a "virtual-para-existence" because just like in the RL, your decision shapes the continuity and it's foreseeable future.Just like in real life, you are born, you grow, you learn and discover the world around you at a certain point you go at it as you like it, deciding what you want to do. Also as in real life you might influence the world around you or die without leaving an impact.

To answer your question in basic terms - EVE is at best a parallel-universe within the current multiverse.

***for simplicity's sake WH-Space is herein considered part of Null

Try again please, your question isn't clear.

Huh?

Chances.

I buy the last beer. The guy who comes after me is alcoholic and out of beer.
It's in the middle of the night and besides the gas station there is nothing around to buy beer
and they have nothing else. So the alcoholic goes home, angry, because he has no beer.

He beats up his wife badly, causing a heavy bruise. She HAS to go to the hospital,
where she suffers a mental breakdown and the doctors decide to keep her.
The alcoholic starts to panic, tries to influence her, but the doctors call the police and he gets arrested.

Because of me buying a beer.

I don't believe in the irrelevancy of single interactors on the grand stage.
It's more likely that we just don't know better about the long time consequences.

Why would you disagree? What does experience tell you?

The problem is that though I AM real, the universe of New Eden that I live in is not and cannot be.

The structure that allows it to function as a game cannot allow it to function as atrue reality

It is, at best, a weak simulcra.

I am however a living meme, just as my brother was before me, and if EvE ever dies or I grow weary of it, I will live on elsewhere, just as he does to this day.

Anyways OP,

Just give the transcript of this thread to whomever you need to prove your initial statement - that should be enough to convince them at least that this community has largely a base IQ well-above that of your standard MMO community :D

Nami Kumamato gave all the information I seek for and most probably I've used the word multiverse a little bit early. Maybe some 20 or more years later, EVE could be called as multiverse if the current virtual reality technologies of RL expand with the Moore's Law.