Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Heyya,

as a few may know, prerelase the Nestor had a fitting service, however it never made it on TQ, instead we got those shiny funny mobile structures which, you know it, will never surrive 60 seconds in a fleetfight (except if your targets are really that dumb ... i mean really dumb .... (hint-> light drones, smartbombs,...)).
So what is the alternative ?
-> Carrier
-> Orca

Using Carriers in a combat is fine, however you will find yourself in situatiosn frequently where you just can't deploy a Carrier ( wormholes for example or cynojammed systems). The only solution there is trying to deploy mobile depots (which will be killed before onlining) OR use an Orca ( which only has a X% chance to surrive it's deployment in a shieldfleet/pulsar/wulf-rayet).

So this leads me to an idea I want to discuss with you about, why not have a T2 battleship with a fitting service for it's fleet ( NO ship maint. bay).
First of all, for the hulls i suggest the Rokh, Hyperion, Maelstrom and Abbadon, because they don't have T2 hulls yet ;)
What i DON'T want is having minicarriers with bastion etc, instead i suggest, let them keep the T1 defensive bonuses ( 4% Res. bonus for Rokh/Abbadon & the 7.5% Repbonus for Hyperion & Maelstrom), very high Sensorstrength and a role bonus for large energy transfer range and activation costs.

For Mass those Ships should have ~ 150kk kg
No gun-/missileslots
100mbit drones, 300m³ dronebay
No T2 resists, but slightly higher than T1

Slotlayouts:

Abbadon/Hyperion T2
-> 3 High
-> 4 Med
-> 8 Low
-> 2 Rigslots 300 Calibration

Maelstrom/Rokh T2
-> 3 High
-> 8 Med
-> 4 Low
-> 2 Rigslots 300 Calibration

PG, CPU, Cap & Hitpoints should be equal to Marauders of their race
Scanreso should be ~250mm
1.5k m³ Cargobay
~ 35 Sensorstrength


Example on a T2 Abbadon:

Amarr Battleship Bonus:
4% Armorresists for each skilllevel

Combat-Support-Battleship Bonus:
10% Energy transferamount for each skilllevel

Role Bonus:

200% Bonus on large Energytransferrange
50% less overheating damage


Now feel free to slaughter me =)

UPDATE: Layouts shfited due to the great feedback, keep it on guys ! :) Also tested refitting on a Bustard and it didn't work, so Fleethanger of them doesn't work as fitting service ;)

My first idea had a fleethangar included, now imagine this ship with for example 10k m³ fleethangar cap booster charges in a nestor fleet ....... with instead marauderlike cargo and keeping it nessescary for dropping cargo containers it has counters and stays balanced ;)

EDIT:
You still have the impel for cap booster charges ....

Oh no its frenzy O:


Those hulls because anything smaller wouldn't make any sense for the equipment a ship needs to refit others in space ;)
Also with 150kk kg mass they can't be used too much in wormhole space and not in c1, which also is a balance reason
Nestor with fittingservice would be too strong, i allready mentioned that on comms a few times. If you give ALL you need to a single ship it will become a FOTM choice for specific setups, to solve that it is nessescary to fix some bonus-related issues with instead splitting them and add them to different shiphulls, otherwise you will find yourself with a battleshipseized t3 .... we don' want that =)
Also that forces players to actually decide between more tank&gank (nestor, RR-BS,RR-T3,...) or a refitservice but low dps (new t2 bs), balanced fleetsetups and smart pilots will gain benefits, dumb people who just copy a setup without knowing or understanding how it works will find themselves in their pod and with expensive lossmails frequently ;)
Also Nestors have 50kk kg mass, that means you have like close to zero penalties in wormholespace using the refit service for your wormholemass and would decrease tactical variations/setups.

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I don't care what it does but I need a Khanid Innovation Battleship, but given KIs other ships a missile bonus would be expected.

I thought starting with 6 low slots for the Armor ships etc, i wanted to suggest them a bit weaker and give that a platform to discuss on, instead of giving you here an overpowered/broken ship which would be dumb :D
Also ithey don't need lowslots for dmg mods :3


Very nice feedback, i'll keep an eye on some more feedback before i update the layout

Okay so i had forgotten that conversation, and you raise a very valid point about its mass inrelation to wormholes (one i had not considered in the 60seconds that post took). That said i still say i would like my battleships as battleships thing.

Still leaves the option of some new (possibly ore) platform, but when i was thinking on it i remembered This Thread and thought it might be worth some cross examination.

And with the new DSTs having marauder resistances (correct me if my memory of the fanfest streams is failing me) why wouldnt some kind of racial industrial (or a battlecruiser maybe? be an option (assuming my dedicated model is to much work)... That said i still LOVE this idea...

Please stop with all this "new ships" ruckus. There are more then enough of them in game already, let them attend to the problems in game mechincs at last, or come up with some gameplay expansion, not just creating another bunch of fancy ship models.

"Deep Space Transports have been rebalanced
This balance pass is focused on providing Deep Space Transports with the ability to carry large loads in a fleet hangar while also sporting excellent defensive options.
All Deep Space Transports are capable of using the new Medium Micro Jump Drive modules." Kronos 1.0 patch notes.

Im not sure if you can use the fitting service for one of these but im sure it'll do a much better job at this than a bs hull.

Edit: I just saw that this has already been mentioned.

Concept is nice, maybe a bonus to the range someone has to eb at to access the maintenence function (since gathering troops together in a fleet fight often means sacrificing a couple due to neglecting enemy movement and position). ntohing too much, maybe 5000 or 10km at max level.

Dont base it off an existing hull appearance-wise though, maybe it'd be better as a neutral faction, just make it look like a mobile shipyard or something, arms coming out and little drone-bay looking areas and stuff. woudl be sweet.

Bandwith 50 would be too weak as they allready have 0 weaponslots, 3 high slots also limit their ability to refit for neuts etc and be effective :D
The issue with refitting ... well they allready will run with maxtankfit ..... whatever you could adapt there it wouldn't change that much, as even with full "dmg"fit their dps is still below 500-600 ;)


Well neutral faction sounds good but i think having 4 versions, 2 with fleetbuffer resists and 2 with localtankbonus, is somethign which allows them to be used in a lot more fleets ;)