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Any info when eve is playable on Windows XP again?

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-12-05 02:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkAegix
Windows XP is ancient, ugly, unstable and embarrassing.
Do you want to burn a DVD? OH WAIT WINDOWS XP CAN'T NATIVELY BURN DVDS. AHAHAHHAHAHAH.
Enjoy your start menu which takes up the entire screen, and your lack of instant search.
Enjoy the limitation of 4GB of RAM, including your GPU's RAM. XP 64bit you say? Completely unstable and no support.
Enjoy your hideous control panel with a huge block of options to scroll through, with absolutely no categorising or sorting.
Enjoy your lack of a wallpaper slideshow. Stare at the same wallpaper every day.
Enjoy your constantly crashing programs, and an 'end task' button in the task manager which actually doesn't work.


You know error reporting in Windows XP? You know how it's useless, so you always click 'Don't send'? Well, in 7, you are actually given solutions.
Enjoy your lack of Aero snap. Want to see 2 windows side by side? You have two choices. Either painstakingly click and drag minimised windows into position, or end every single program except the two you want side-by-side, then right click on the start bar and select some option hidden somewhere.
Enjoy your lack of jumplists. How do you instantly go to a frequent website from your desktop? Use a bunch of saved bookmark files in some unsorted folder? Well, I just right click on the Firefox icon, and click on the site I'm interested in.
Enjoy your lack of items on the start bar which give useful information. If I have a download in Firefox running, or a copy-and-paste job in explore, the icon becomes illuminated with a status bar.
XP doesn't even have Homegroup support.


How do you go to your desktop which is beneath several windows? Click that little desktop button which is like 1/8 the distance from the left to right of the screen, and about 10 pixels up from the bottom? Make sure you aim carefully! On Windows 7, I swing the mouse to the absolute bottom-right and click. No aiming necessary. Fast and easy.
Want automatic, clean, safe, and up-to-date backups? Not with XP! I see over 15 steps on the Microsoft support page to get a backup on XP. How many steps on 7? 5 for the first time, and none from there.
Let's have a race. Open something you'd never use, like Paint (Which is better in 7, by the way). I press the start key, type paint, then press the enter key. Done. 2 seconds. Hmm, since you're using XP you'll need to click start > All programs > Accessories > scroll scroll scroll search search search > Paint. 15 seconds.
How do you access all of your recent word docs? Well, I click start, hover over the word icon, and see all of my recent docs to the right. Easy. XP? You probably have folders upon folders of out-of-date shortcuts.


DirectX 10? DirectX 11? XP has neither. Support is dwindling. Enjoy not being able to play 50+ games at their best quality.
Oh, something deleted your boot.ini. Oh dear. Well, Windows 7 doesn't have anything that archaic, and one automated and easily accessed Startup Repair later and you're good to go, with no loss of files, full reinstall and faffing about with command prompts.
Hmm... Your display driver crashed for the billionth time today, giving you a BSOD? What a shame. Windows 7 can automatically reboot your display driver. Yes, often without even crashing the game.
Want to connect to a wireless/VPN/mobile broadband/etc network? Like 2 or 3 clicks on 7. XP? Well, did the internet even exist in those prehistoric times? No wonder it takes like 10+ dialog boxes to do things so menial.
It's time to use Windows Update on your XP computer! Let's see, was it Microsoft Update or Windows Update? Oh, I forget, I'll just click one. Ok, here opens Internet Explorer and OH GOD THE TOOLBARS ARE EATING MY FACE. Yep, now we just wait 10 minutes for the search and...oh... no updates. Sadface. Windows 7? Automated. If you want to go over advanced or optional updates, just type Update into your inta-search, press Enter, and a dedicated, in-OS UI appears. Which searches for updates in seconds! Sweet mother of all things holy, UPDATING IS EASY.


Oh dear, you have several notifications. Look near your clock. THOUSANDS OF ICONS ALL FLASHING ARGH MY EYES. THEY STRETCH OUT SO FAR TO THE LEFT MY TASKBAR IS GONE NOW. Windows 7? Click the arrow, and a little box appears above. It's 2D rather than 1D, so it fits a huge number of icons in a small space. Oh yeah, furthermore, some of these notifications are now added to the action centre. Got an OS update, security warning, maintenance process and more begging for attention? It's all in one icon rather than dozens.

Windows 7 is both shinier AND more usable. XP consists of huge lists to achieve the same thing with 4x the clicks and mouse movement.
System requirements? Don't make me laugh. 2GB of RAM costs $25. Wait a minute. You can't upgrade anyway, because you're using a 32bit OS.

Your PC is the operating system you use. If your OS it out of date, then your entire system is, too.


Anyway, that's my rant. Update today. It's so much better and it affects every day of your life.
Taylor Polynomial
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-12-05 02:43:44 UTC
Sounds like someone has issues
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2011-12-05 02:53:37 UTC
Windows. LMAO. Lol
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-12-05 03:00:13 UTC
Taylor Polynomial wrote:
Sounds like someone has issues

The only issues in this thread are compatibility issues with out-of-date operating systems.

Also, Tippia, you're a hipster, and nobody likes hipsters. Put on your scarf and go complain about your favourite underground band which I've 'probably never heard' of becoming too mainstream. Blink
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2011-12-05 03:04:37 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP



You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.

Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-12-05 03:12:09 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Mussaschi wrote:
Anyone has an info when this windows not drawn bug on windows xp will be fixed?

It works somehow with one client (at least mostly), but I would love to use more than one again, and windowed mode is not really a turn on




Probably never. Windows XP was released October 25, 2001. Making the game XP compatible would be working backwards. It is time to upgrade to 7.


On one hand I agree that we really should upgrade soon from our bugfree, stable and much loved Windows XP.

On the other hand that's not the issue at all here, if it somehow turns out that EVE doesn't support XP anymore I'd like to know since when and where is the big announcement to the customers?

Sorry for sounding harsh perhaps but I've had quite a few nerd rage fits over these damn windows by now.
electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-12-05 03:16:23 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Windows XP is ancient, ugly, unstable and embarrassing.
...truncated rage...

The way you go on and on makes me wonder if you'll have the same said rage on windows 7 when you move onto newer windows.
Also several of the "selling points" you mention for windows 7 I have no use for. Several of the XP problems you mention I've never had. I'm not going to update to 7 unless I have to. Why, because microsoft thinks its better to teach someone an entirely new language every other year instead of sticking to the language they taught people. Language in this case being formatting, style, looks, methods, etc.
For me, changing an operating system every other year is as drastic as tearing down parts of my house and rebuilding just as often. You might argue that its more like painting your room every year, but how often do you really repaint your room?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2011-12-05 03:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DarkAegix wrote:
Also, Tippia, you're a hipster, and nobody likes hipsters. Put on your scarf and go complain about your favourite underground band which I've 'probably never heard' of becoming too mainstream. Blink

Pff! I used UNIX back when it was mainstream (or well… DG 386/ix — but it was a certified clone), and then I used it when it wasn't mainstream any more, and then I used UNIX-likes when they were not-quite-yet-mainstream, and now I have UNIXes and unix-likes on pretty much every piece of computer:ish electronics in my house (phone, tablet, console, computers… fridge…).


…also, my XP isn't having any of the problems you enumerated (well, maybe DVD burning, but who the hell uses physical media any more?) P

Also, scarves are for weakling city-folks.

edit: Now, if you really want to talk snobbery, let's discuss ITS (and YOUR… and STYLE).
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-12-05 03:23:42 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP



You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7.

Oh, so you don't care for 'efficiency' in general. Ok.
You don't need to upgrade, but if you do you'll notice improvements in all aspects of computing.

XP has many problems. You just don't notice them because they're efficiency-related rather than specific crashes. 10 seconds of your time wasted every 5 minutes every day is something you should avoid.

And, yes, Windows 7 is already very slightly bad in comparison to Windows 8 Developer Preview. Seen the new task manager? PHHWWOOOOARRRR.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#30 - 2011-12-05 03:25:39 UTC
You should consider using an operating system not designed to run on a difference engine.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-12-05 03:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
DarkAegix wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP



You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7.

Oh, so you don't care for 'efficiency' in general. Ok.
You don't need to upgrade, but if you do you'll notice improvements in all aspects of computing.

XP has many problems. You just don't notice them because they're efficiency-related rather than specific crashes. 10 seconds of your time wasted every 5 minutes every day is something you should avoid.

And, yes, Windows 7 is already very slightly bad in comparison to Windows 8 Developer Preview. Seen the new task manager? PHHWWOOOOARRRR.


efficiency ???

hmm ..

well efficiency is win 2k .. everything above it is waste of resources. / in case of Microsoft products that is.

Win7 got far more issues than win XP ever have. Like overclocking memory, NB/ SB/ CPUs .. random BSODs because well just because why not.. no other reason... Startup well .. depend if its Wednesday or other day.

I would gladly switch back to win XP but it will require too much effort.

btw DirectX10/11 can be implemented into winXP just saying. as well as many other features. And still will be more efficient then Win7.

You should stop reading Microsoft advertising.

Anyway MS-DOS 6.22 and win3.11 for workgroups is all you need to play any "modern" game. It just requires hell lot of an patiance and trying to get it work .. Big smile
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2011-12-05 03:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
You should consider using an operating system not designed to run on a difference engine.

Too bad they couldn't get the funding to build it. Cry

Silly politicians.

edit: nvm, I was thinking about the analytical engine.
Gorefacer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-12-05 03:41:23 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.


Vista? That's the worst advice I've heard on these forums. Ever.
Gorefacer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-12-05 03:56:40 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP



You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7.

Oh, so you don't care for 'efficiency' in general. Ok.
You don't need to upgrade, but if you do you'll notice improvements in all aspects of computing.

XP has many problems. You just don't notice them because they're efficiency-related rather than specific crashes. 10 seconds of your time wasted every 5 minutes every day is something you should avoid.

And, yes, Windows 7 is already very slightly bad in comparison to Windows 8 Developer Preview. Seen the new task manager? PHHWWOOOOARRRR.


Christ.

We are talking about running EVE. It's a desktop shortcut on my XP installation just like it is on my 7. A single double click is pretty efficient in either case.

Go OCD on crap nobody cares about somewhere else.

You could probably make a good argument about how inefficient a GUI is anyway and how efficient you can be with bash scripting and the like, that still doesn't mean that nobody should ever use windows. Or does it?

Now I'm confused, except that I can still cling to the knowledge that your posts are dumb.
Eanok
POS Party
Ember Sands
#35 - 2011-12-05 03:59:56 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.


I'm still using XP on every single computer I own without issue. You cant be serious about Vista, what a pile that was.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-12-05 04:36:36 UTC
Eanok wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.


I'm still using XP on every single computer I own without issue. You cant be serious about Vista, what a pile that was.


well .. i have had DOS 6.22, win3.11,then 9x, i tried ME, went back to 9x, then 2k, then XP, then Vista x64 /mainly due to memory usability (not when it came but about an year or so after) worked pretty well, no got Win7 and except problems with stability while "overclocking" and occasional "awesome automatic updates" which **** up the whole system to the point that it take an hour to actually start it and make it work again for a day, several weeks in row until they got another update which fixes it.

I am quite content..

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Anyway Keep your windows XP.

multiple clients should work without problems, as been stated on first page.
Try those things..
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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#37 - 2011-12-05 04:39:25 UTC
Every person I've ever talked to has hated Vista, myself included. Worthless pile of digital excrement. I never had problems with XP, I still use it on my HP L2000 SE. My custom rig I installed W7 x64 because that's all I could find on the market, and I got a discount for ordering it with the case and power supply. I have no complaints about it, except for the insane amount of RAM it uses to do the exact same things XP does.

In fact, Eve would still run on my XP laptop except the integrated graphics don't support SM3. But that's not MS fault. Old laptop is still old.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#38 - 2011-12-05 04:48:45 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Windows XP is ancient, ugly, unstable and embarrassing.
Do you want to burn a DVD? OH WAIT WINDOWS XP CAN'T NATIVELY BURN DVDS. AHAHAHHAHAHAH.
Enjoy your start menu which takes up the entire screen, and your lack of instant search.
Enjoy the limitation of 4GB of RAM, including your GPU's RAM. XP 64bit you say? Completely unstable and no support.
Enjoy your hideous control panel with a huge block of options to scroll through, with absolutely no categorising or sorting.
Enjoy your lack of a wallpaper slideshow. Stare at the same wallpaper every day.
Enjoy your constantly crashing programs, and an 'end task' button in the task manager which actually doesn't work.


You know error reporting in Windows XP? You know how it's useless, so you always click 'Don't send'? Well, in 7, you are actually given solutions.
Enjoy your lack of Aero snap. Want to see 2 windows side by side? You have two choices. Either painstakingly click and drag minimised windows into position, or end every single program except the two you want side-by-side, then right click on the start bar and select some option hidden somewhere.
Enjoy your lack of jumplists. How do you instantly go to a frequent website from your desktop? Use a bunch of saved bookmark files in some unsorted folder? Well, I just right click on the Firefox icon, and click on the site I'm interested in.
Enjoy your lack of items on the start bar which give useful information. If I have a download in Firefox running, or a copy-and-paste job in explore, the icon becomes illuminated with a status bar.
XP doesn't even have Homegroup support.


How do you go to your desktop which is beneath several windows? Click that little desktop button which is like 1/8 the distance from the left to right of the screen, and about 10 pixels up from the bottom? Make sure you aim carefully! On Windows 7, I swing the mouse to the absolute bottom-right and click. No aiming necessary. Fast and easy.
Want automatic, clean, safe, and up-to-date backups? Not with XP! I see over 15 steps on the Microsoft support page to get a backup on XP. How many steps on 7? 5 for the first time, and none from there.
Let's have a race. Open something you'd never use, like Paint (Which is better in 7, by the way). I press the start key, type paint, then press the enter key. Done. 2 seconds. Hmm, since you're using XP you'll need to click start > All programs > Accessories > scroll scroll scroll search search search > Paint. 15 seconds.
How do you access all of your recent word docs? Well, I click start, hover over the word icon, and see all of my recent docs to the right. Easy. XP? You probably have folders upon folders of out-of-date shortcuts.


DirectX 10? DirectX 11? XP has neither. Support is dwindling. Enjoy not being able to play 50+ games at their best quality.
Oh, something deleted your boot.ini. Oh dear. Well, Windows 7 doesn't have anything that archaic, and one automated and easily accessed Startup Repair later and you're good to go, with no loss of files, full reinstall and faffing about with command prompts.
Hmm... Your display driver crashed for the billionth time today, giving you a BSOD? What a shame. Windows 7 can automatically reboot your display driver. Yes, often without even crashing the game.
Want to connect to a wireless/VPN/mobile broadband/etc network? Like 2 or 3 clicks on 7. XP? Well, did the internet even exist in those prehistoric times? No wonder it takes like 10+ dialog boxes to do things so menial.
It's time to use Windows Update on your XP computer! Let's see, was it Microsoft Update or Windows Update? Oh, I forget, I'll just click one. Ok, here opens Internet Explorer and OH GOD THE TOOLBARS ARE EATING MY FACE. Yep, now we just wait 10 minutes for the search and...oh... no updates. Sadface. Windows 7? Automated. If you want to go over advanced or optional updates, just type Update into your inta-search, press Enter, and a dedicated, in-OS UI appears. Which searches for updates in seconds! Sweet mother of all things holy, UPDATING IS EASY.


Oh dear, you have several notifications. Look near your clock. THOUSANDS OF ICONS ALL FLASHING ARGH MY EYES. THEY STRETCH OUT SO FAR TO THE LEFT MY TASKBAR IS GONE NOW. Windows 7? Click the arrow, and a little box appears above. It's 2D rather than 1D, so it fits a huge number of icons in a small space. Oh yeah, furthermore, some of these notifications are now added to the action centre. Got an OS update, security warning, maintenance process and more begging for attention? It's all in one icon rather than dozens.

Windows 7 is both shinier AND more usable. XP consists of huge lists to achieve the same thing with 4x the clicks and mouse movement.
System requirements? Don't make me laugh. 2GB of RAM costs $25. Wait a minute. You can't upgrade anyway, because you're using a 32bit OS.

Your PC is the operating system you use. If your OS it out of date, then your entire system is, too.


Anyway, that's my rant. Update today. It's so much better and it affects every day of your life.



just going to mention i m using Windows XP with Directx 10... courtesy of some russians, and that there is not a single bit of software so far i cannot run on XP old nor new.

also the control panel DO has caterogization and maybe you didn't knew but you can easily add the instant search feature to XP trough windows updates with windows Search 4. XP is 10 years old, but it has been keep up to date constantly over the years and features that were added to ot her windows are just as readily avaiable in XP, including Aero features from windows 7, not saying win7 is bad, i use it i love it, but XP is just as good in the end (also old games work faster in XP).


why the **** did i even waste time answering to you!?
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-12-05 05:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nemesis Factor
Aldarica wrote:
Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does.


Probably because you haven't looked that hard.


  • Increased performance
  • Increased stability
  • Support for newer hardware
  • Overall easier use and smoother workflow
  • People are going to stop supporting it really soon


For crying out loud, I think I would rather be running on Ubuntu or something rather than XP at this point.

Also, you cannot say 'I see no reason to upgrade' and whine about lack of third party support and be the same person.

You see a lot of statistics about how XP is still one of the most popular OS out there. Well it's because of people like you, and it's holding the rest of us back.


Gorefacer wrote:
stuff

So do you just not wan't to try something new that a lot of people obviously like, or are you just lazy? Don't you dare say anything about money since you can try it for free for 30 days and THEN decide and purchasing a license.


electrostatus wrote:

For me, changing an operating system every other year is as drastic as tearing down parts of my house and rebuilding just as often. You might argue that its more like painting your room every year, but how often do you really repaint your room?

I would compare it more to putting a goddamn CD into my goddamn optical drive and clicking some buttons.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-12-05 07:00:27 UTC
Nemesis Factor wrote:
Aldarica wrote:
Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does.


Probably because you haven't looked that hard.


  • Increased performance
  • Increased stability
  • Support for newer hardware
  • Overall easier use and smoother workflow
  • People are going to stop supporting it really soon




non of above is actually correct, unless you really believe Advertisement, in that case i suggest some medical treatment.

But its wrong forum for such things.