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acacyan dumbledore
Affinity Cloud Interstellar Industries
#21 - 2014-06-03 18:20:59 UTC
John F Kohn wrote:
Account 2 set AM charge for 32 milions. Other player offers AM charge for usual 5 ISK. Account 1 comes to buys AM charge but it can not buy AM for 32 milions because there is an offer for 5 ISK. You always buy from the cheapiest offer. There is a kind of market PvP based on this fact.

huh, i thought i could choose whatever market offer i wanted on the expanded list (not the quick buy)
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-06-03 18:22:53 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
be aware that this should be done in a station that has no other offers for the same item, as the cheapest offer will always be bought.

but i'm not selling cheap, i'm overpricing. if someone decides to buy a single antimatter charge for 32 million isk, so be it.

no, what i mean is if you try to buy your overpriced item with your 'old' alt, someone else might get the money because he was selling the same item a little cheaper than you in the same station.



Dude, you just ruined a hilarious followup post titled, "WHERE DID MY ISK GO!?!?"

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-06-03 18:33:20 UTC
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
John F Kohn wrote:
Account 2 set AM charge for 32 milions. Other player offers AM charge for usual 5 ISK. Account 1 comes to buys AM charge but it can not buy AM for 32 milions because there is an offer for 5 ISK. You always buy from the cheapiest offer. There is a kind of market PvP based on this fact.

huh, i thought i could choose whatever market offer i wanted on the expanded list (not the quick buy)


You can choose what price you pay, but not who you pay it to.

Let's say your alt (let's call him Tom) puts a unit of antimatter up for 32 million then I come along and put a unit of antimatter up for sale in the same station for 1000 ISK.

You then come along, right click on Tom's order and hit buy, I (as the seller with the lowest price) then get the 32 million, you get a unit of antimatter and Tom's over-priced market order is still sitting on the market.

Lowest seller is bought from, highest buyer gets item.
acacyan dumbledore
Affinity Cloud Interstellar Industries
#24 - 2014-06-03 18:42:36 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
John F Kohn wrote:
Account 2 set AM charge for 32 milions. Other player offers AM charge for usual 5 ISK. Account 1 comes to buys AM charge but it can not buy AM for 32 milions because there is an offer for 5 ISK. You always buy from the cheapiest offer. There is a kind of market PvP based on this fact.

huh, i thought i could choose whatever market offer i wanted on the expanded list (not the quick buy)


You can choose what price you pay, but not who you pay it to.

Let's say your alt (let's call him Tom) puts a unit of antimatter up for 32 million then I come along and put a unit of antimatter up for sale in the same station for 1000 ISK.

You then come along, right click on Tom's order and hit buy, I (as the seller with the lowest price) then get the 32 million, you get a unit of antimatter and Tom's over-priced market order is still sitting on the market.

Lowest seller is bought from, highest buyer gets item.

so the lowest seller always gets the deal? that makes no sense. i will have to experiment.
acacyan dumbledore
Affinity Cloud Interstellar Industries
#25 - 2014-06-03 18:53:38 UTC
easy fix is to do it at a faraway station where little is sold
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-06-03 19:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Honestly, it's a little baffling that anyone is giving this scrub actual advice on how to best abuse trial accounts to avoid subscribing. Roll

This isn't a new player question, it's a d-bag question.

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acacyan dumbledore
Affinity Cloud Interstellar Industries
#27 - 2014-06-03 19:20:05 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Honestly, it's a little baffling that anyone is giving this scrub actual advice on how to best abuse trial accounts to avoid subscribing. Roll

well, at this point it isnt really advice on avoiding subscriptions as it is just generally how to play EVE XD. being a scrub is something that goes with starting up in EVE.

to be honest though, i am probbably going to just buy a few PLEX and sel one or two to get started at some point.
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#28 - 2014-06-03 20:10:37 UTC
I personally find your idea to be quite distasteful, and don't be surprised if CCP catches up to your plan and decides to ban all of your accounts if they are active or not. They wouldn't be happy with someone trying to play the game for free, or even emplying some rmt type of workarounds to do so.

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
acacyan dumbledore
Affinity Cloud Interstellar Industries
#29 - 2014-06-03 20:15:22 UTC
Lord Battlestar wrote:
I personally find your idea to be quite distasteful, and don't be surprised if CCP catches up to your plan and decides to ban all of your accounts if they are active or not. They wouldn't be happy with someone trying to play the game for free, or even emplying some rmt type of workarounds to do so.

dont worry, i'm not trying to scam CCP out of their server capacity here, the plan is that i try this for a while, i fi make it, cool. if i dont, whatever. in any case i will probbably buy some plex so i can fool around some before i settle into a role.

and to be honest, there is little CCP could to to hinder this without stopping trial accounts from trading, which would leave free trials useless as a promotional thing.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-06-03 20:19:20 UTC
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
Lord Battlestar wrote:
I personally find your idea to be quite distasteful, and don't be surprised if CCP catches up to your plan and decides to ban all of your accounts if they are active or not. They wouldn't be happy with someone trying to play the game for free, or even emplying some rmt type of workarounds to do so.

dont worry, i'm not trying to scam CCP out of their server capacity here, the plan is that i try this for a while, i fi make it, cool. if i dont, whatever. in any case i will probbably buy some plex so i can fool around some before i settle into a role.

and to be honest, there is little CCP could to to hinder this without stopping trial accounts from trading, which would leave free trials useless as a promotional thing.


They could simply strip the ability to place arbitrary orders, allowing trial accounts only to buy from or sell to orders place by "real" accounts.

They really shouldn't have to go out of their way to deal with bad-faith abuse of trial accounts, though.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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acacyan dumbledore
Affinity Cloud Interstellar Industries
#31 - 2014-06-03 20:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: acacyan dumbledore
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
Lord Battlestar wrote:
I personally find your idea to be quite distasteful, and don't be surprised if CCP catches up to your plan and decides to ban all of your accounts if they are active or not. They wouldn't be happy with someone trying to play the game for free, or even emplying some rmt type of workarounds to do so.

dont worry, i'm not trying to scam CCP out of their server capacity here, the plan is that i try this for a while, i fi make it, cool. if i dont, whatever. in any case i will probbably buy some plex so i can fool around some before i settle into a role.

and to be honest, there is little CCP could to to hinder this without stopping trial accounts from trading, which would leave free trials useless as a promotional thing.


They could simply strip the ability to place arbitrary orders, allowing trial accounts only to buy from or sell to orders place by "real" accounts.

They really shouldn't have to go out of their way to deal with bad-faith abuse of trial accounts, though.

that would significantly deteriorate the quality of the demo that free trial is and would probbably cost them more than the little increase in server capacity i'm using. it is a calculated risk that CCP has taken and continues to take, and i aplaud them for it since EVE might have the best demo i can come up with off the top of my head.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-06-03 20:49:16 UTC
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
Lord Battlestar wrote:
I personally find your idea to be quite distasteful, and don't be surprised if CCP catches up to your plan and decides to ban all of your accounts if they are active or not. They wouldn't be happy with someone trying to play the game for free, or even emplying some rmt type of workarounds to do so.

dont worry, i'm not trying to scam CCP out of their server capacity here, the plan is that i try this for a while, i fi make it, cool. if i dont, whatever. in any case i will probbably buy some plex so i can fool around some before i settle into a role.

and to be honest, there is little CCP could to to hinder this without stopping trial accounts from trading, which would leave free trials useless as a promotional thing.


They could simply strip the ability to place arbitrary orders, allowing trial accounts only to buy from or sell to orders place by "real" accounts.

They really shouldn't have to go out of their way to deal with bad-faith abuse of trial accounts, though.

that would significantly deteriorate the quality of the demo that free trial is and would probbably cost them more than the little increase in server capacity i'm using. it is a calculated risk that CCP has taken and continues to take, and i aplaud them for it since EVE might have the best demo i can come up with off the top of my head.



Not really. I doubt most players get overly involved in market trading within their first two weeks. The laundry list of skills that can't be trained on a trial account used to be substantially shorter. People like you are the reason it's as long as it is now.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-06-03 22:11:05 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
be aware that this should be done in a station that has no other offers for the same item, as the cheapest offer will always be bought.

but i'm not selling cheap, i'm overpricing. if someone decides to buy a single antimatter charge for 32 million isk, so be it.

no, what i mean is if you try to buy your overpriced item with your 'old' alt, someone else might get the money because he was selling the same item a little cheaper than you in the same station.



Dude, you just ruined a hilarious followup post titled, "WHERE DID MY ISK GO!?!?"

yea, sorry about that ._.

I should buy an Ishtar.
John F Kohn
Wraits at work
#34 - 2014-06-04 07:34:23 UTC
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
i'm not trying to scam CCP out of their server capacity here, the plan is that i try this for a while, i fi make it, cool. if i dont, whatever.


Server capacity is not hurt by alone player, who uses one account in one moment of time. It is hurt by multiboxers like Lord Battlestar, who use 10-25 mining ship fleets from the same IP at the very same time. You, creating more trial accounts, gives CCP better marketing image. More users = game is more popular. Of cause then comes real facts, that only 10 % of accounts really use game as team PvP MMORPG as it should, but it is other story. What I want to say here is that it is not you, who scam the game, but ppl, who uses more accounts at the same moent of time, making solo PVP not actually solo, not actually fair.

Your plan will work for first 7-10 accounts maximum. After this you will get bored starting over and over again. And even if you will make your 750 milions that way (current PLEX price), PLEX will cost 850-900 millions to that moment. So you will quit the game or subscribe with real money. After three months worth of training you will be able to run level 4 security missions, earning 50-100 milions in one evening, having fun and making money at the same time.

So HTFU, buy 3 month subscription and stay in game longer, than just few weeks of repetitive trial training. As was already mentioned - do not make EVE your second job. It is not that well payed.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#35 - 2014-06-04 08:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
Li Quiao wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
are there any reasons that i cannot when my 14 day trial runs out just make another one and transfer all my cash and maybe some propperty? i know trading up to a PLEX in 14 days can be hard, but if i start out with whatever i have at the end of my first 14 days it shouldent be too hard. just keep daisy chaining free trials until i have enough cash flowing that i can supply at least one plex a month.


Several difficulties with that plan:

--Trial accounts can't transfer cash.
--Trial accounts can't make contracts (which is mostly how you'd transfer property)
--You can't have more than one trial account active at a time (which means you can't have both accounts available at once to do the transfer)


account 1 earns cash
account 2 sets up a trade offer for an item that is horrifically overpriced
account 1 buys said item
profit.


That's not how the market works. You don't get to pick from which sell order you buy even if you agree to its price. It'll simply sell you the item from the lowest order at the inflated price.



@OP; take your time (and possible a few trials to get experience) to learn a play style you enjoy that can get you enough isk to buy plex (there's several options; scamming, FW, exploration to name a few, neither requires massive SP). then when you KNOW how to optimise your chosen 'profession' start a new account and go for it.

You CAN make enough money in those 2 weeks and it doesn't have much to do with your skill points, instead it's all about knowledge, experience and the effort you put in to optimise.
acacyan dumbledore
Affinity Cloud Interstellar Industries
#36 - 2014-06-04 09:16:31 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
Li Quiao wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
are there any reasons that i cannot when my 14 day trial runs out just make another one and transfer all my cash and maybe some propperty? i know trading up to a PLEX in 14 days can be hard, but if i start out with whatever i have at the end of my first 14 days it shouldent be too hard. just keep daisy chaining free trials until i have enough cash flowing that i can supply at least one plex a month.


Several difficulties with that plan:

--Trial accounts can't transfer cash.
--Trial accounts can't make contracts (which is mostly how you'd transfer property)
--You can't have more than one trial account active at a time (which means you can't have both accounts available at once to do the transfer)


account 1 earns cash
account 2 sets up a trade offer for an item that is horrifically overpriced
account 1 buys said item
profit.


That's not how the market works. You don't get to pick from which sell order you buy even if you agree to its price. It'll simply sell you the item from the lowest order at the inflated price.



@OP; take your time (and possible a few trials to get experience) to learn a play style you enjoy that can get you enough isk to buy plex (there's several options; scamming, FW, exploration to name a few, neither requires massive SP). then when you KNOW how to optimise your chosen 'profession' start a new account and go for it.

You CAN make enough money in those 2 weeks and it doesn't have much to do with your skill points, instead it's all about knowledge, experience and the effort you put in to optimise.

that's the reason i do this, to get a feel for the game. as i have said previously in this thread i am probbably going to subscribe and buy some plex sometime, but by then i'll have some experience in combat and some skill in trading. i'm kinda a micromanaging guy, so i think i'll trade a lot. inbetween trading i'l probbably salvage or run some missions for a bit extra cash.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#37 - 2014-06-04 13:20:53 UTC
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
that's the reason i do this, to get a feel for the game. as i have said previously in this thread i am probbably going to subscribe and buy some plex sometime, but by then i'll have some experience in combat and some skill in trading. i'm kinda a micromanaging guy, so i think i'll trade a lot. inbetween trading i'l probbably salvage or run some missions for a bit extra cash.


To give you a few numbers. A week old newbie in a cheapo fitted Destroyer can, with some careful planning, do high sec combat exploration just fine. And once he got it down he's likely to make 50-75 mil a night, on average, using that destroyer. With that kind of income and good planning it won't take long (~2 months) before he can upgrade to a much better ship doing the more difficult sites which, if done right, can make 250-500 mil a day. All in high sec, no bragging.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-06-04 14:48:25 UTC
acacyan dumbledore wrote:

that's the reason i do this, to get a feel for the game.


Explain how one two-week trial was inadequate for that.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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acacyan dumbledore
Affinity Cloud Interstellar Industries
#39 - 2014-06-04 14:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: acacyan dumbledore
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:

that's the reason i do this, to get a feel for the game.


Explain how one two-week trial was inadequate for that.

i want to play around with roles a bit before i sub, i dont think 14 days is enough at this point.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-06-04 14:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
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