Player Features and Ideas Discussion

FTFY

I know what this thread is for, but feel free to actually read what I quoted.

I was arguing a point he was making, a point that is stupid and not applicable to this game. Here I'll quote it again:



This statement basically implies that pew pew against ships that don't shoot back is not something that the game design should take into account. I'm actually relatively okay with a 10-15 second delay at each gate, but how is that any different from dropping you off at a distance from the gate? I guess for big fat ships it may be a nice change (like freighters or something) but otherwise meh.

My point was that his statement was stupid and does not fit in with how eve is designed.

correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt this be the opposite method to fight against botting. couldnt people be using scripts to auto pilot when no one else could? (I dont know scripting and what its capable of but from what ive seen said thats what i got out of it, I'm sorry if im wrong)

and salazar, your right, i'm just surprised that people are going backward in the argument and staying off subject (even the ones that are for the change)
-to the people doing that, just give us a supported or an unsupported, trying to take the argument to "its pvp""no its pve" is pointless.

and having a five second delay would be a considerable improvement to anyone flying anything bigger than a cruiser. the delay could even be effected by the velocity of the ship. so people flying frieghters might still get up to a minute delay.

the longer this goes on the more that el alasar's suggestion for having a skill reduce it up to 5 or 8km is sounding viable. that would at least cut the time in thirds. (and still appeasing gankers with that distance right?)

(I still dont see why we cant just straight up get rid of it. small delay to make manual faster)

the closer you bring AP to manual warp in terms of spent time and ease of use the more people will be tempted to use it. but if you leave AP vulnerable to ganking (e.g. by introducing delays) people will cry they "cant use AP" which is "sooo fast". because their risk has increased so much. deciding NOT to use it will hurt them even more.

for pro-haulers there could be some highrank skill(s) to invest much time of training in, it would give them reduced vulnerabilty and increased speed, yet still nothing like manual warp. yes, i would like to see slow ships get more out of the changes than fast ones.

makes all happy??? yes? no? my 2 cents.

revised proposal for AP change:

• introduce delays on purpose while you are uncloaked - stupid AP is not as smart and fast as you are!
1. departure from gate. AP decloaks you, but AP needs 4 extra seconds before starting alignment. (AP needs to calibrate to find next target).
2. arriving at gate. warp drives deactivates, but AP performs jump around 6 seconds delayed (needs to talk to gate electronics).


• autopilot distance. changed from 15km to 17km.


• new skill. accurate autopiloting (Navigation, Rank 2. requires navigation 2, warp drive operation 3, evasive maneuvering 3).
=> reduces autopilot warp-to-gate distance by 1.6km per skill level. (to 9km-warp-to-gate distance at level 5).


• new skill. autopilot protocols (Navigation, Rank 3. requires hacking 2, survey 3, signature analysis 3).
=> speeds up the time it takes for the autopilot to talk to gate electronics to jump and to calibrate with new systems navigational data so alignment can start. each skill level reduces the time needed by 6% (to -30% delay time at level 5).


• new skill. advanced autopiloting (Navigation, Rank 6. requires accurate autopiloting level 5, autopilot protocols level 5, cloaking level 2, evasive maneuvering 4, warp drive operation 4, signature analysis 4, hacking 4)
=> reduces autopilot warp-to-gate distance by 0.8km per skill level. (to 5km-warp-to-gate distance at level 5).
=> speeds up the time it takes for the autopilot to talk to gate electronics to jump and to calibrate with new systems navigational data so alignment can start. each skill level reduces the time needed by 2% (to -40% delay time at level 5).
=> advanced functions trying to mimic what a capsuleer would be doing travelling himself.
- level 1 and 2 each allows to define 1 (mid/low) module which gets automatically turned on after alignment has started. 2nd module will be activated 2 seconds after the first. (a module can be flagged as 1st / 2nd "AP-module" in fitting screen/HUD, will be used accordingly on every AP use until changed by user.)
- level 3 the time to activate next module decreases to 50%.
- level 4 a cloak can be automatically activated (as 1 of 2 modules maximum)
- level 5 module activation starts already at 60% completion of autopilot calibration, prior to alignment.

(Rank 2 means 512k SP on lvl-5 ~ 9.3days @ 2285 SP/h
Rank 3 means 768k SP on lvl-5 ~ 14days @ 2285 SP/h
Rank 6 means 1536k SP on lvl-5 ~ 28days @ 2285 SP/h)

i liked those 2 ideas. makes training the advanced skill more necessary. i split the distance and edited the module activation text. better?

i also split the delay time partially into the advanced skill. so you really need to work quite a while to get great AP. and revised the required skills.

I entered with the initial common opinion of why AP is good the way it is, but scanning the first 2 pages I see the point in removing or heavily buffing it.

Just repeating others here then; the benefit to changing autopilot is not so that more people use it safely, it's so that more people risk using it unsafely. That's what we want.


Regarding the skills idea, not a big fan. Because for one, it's not character skill. By definition, this is the training of something the pilot clearly doesn't do. I suppose that kind of thing can be found in other places in Eve though. For two, it's not a skill of productivity. It doesn't get an edge over other players; manual will always be better. So now we're training a skill that is only significant when the player is doing nothing. It's encouraging the don't-play button because that's the only way to see its rewards. That's a problem.

I have nothing against toying with fun ideas for it though. If a skill were to be implemented I would suggest letting level 1 simply be the ability to use autopilot in the first place.

What part of player versus player confuses you?

Stop posting bro

The justification for nonfunctional ingame AP is so that nooblet pvper wannabes who can't catch boats that are not in AP can still have kills. Thus, the entire player base has to resort to outside solutions for the sake of TEST and goon grubs.

You seem to be missing the point that some of us have made.
Travelling in Eve is tedious and annoying, and no one wants do do it, unless they're hunting for something.
We, or at least, I'm not suggesting to change AP to make Eve more bottable.
I'm suggesting it because the current AP takes too long, and no one like to travel. This will get us to where we're going so that we can actually play the game the way you signed up for.
Travelling isn't so much playing the game. It's more like getting on you xbox to play battlefield, then waiting for the system to load, then the game to load, then the server to load, then the next match to load(first match totally doesn't count cause you're always in a crappy spot when you start.)

Basically travelling in Eve is more like waiting for the game to load so you can play. So essentially, I'm suggesting to reduce the amount of down time for players.

Oh, and I would love it if my sb "clocked" itself.