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So I died...

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Chil Pil
The Intrinsic Ones
#1 - 2014-06-03 11:03:43 UTC
First off, I'm not here to rage, or cry about losing my precious ship. I'm here because I'm new to the game, and judging by HOW FAST I died, I need some help!

Basically I was piloting a Bestower with 1 cannon, and all increase cargo. I was down before I could even consider warping, or the guards could save me. They did come and get em after though! (Justice maybe?). I know I should probably add some type of armor improvement, but like I said, I'm new and just don't know what works and doesn't. Also, is there a better way to get to where I was than taking another ship all the way out there from my respawn? (Or faster?) Thanks!
Xoceac
Incursion Supplies
Gluten Free Cartel
#2 - 2014-06-03 11:07:17 UTC
Well, first of all, sorry for your loss. Hope you didn't lost too much cargo.

Second, we might need some more information about how and where you were killed? Got a killmail maybe somewhere? And where were you killed? I assume this is high security space.
Chil Pil
The Intrinsic Ones
#3 - 2014-06-03 11:11:17 UTC
I'm sorry, but how do I link that to you?
Oraac Ensor
#4 - 2014-06-03 11:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Just tell us.

You must have a rough idea of what you were carrying, and your combat log will tell you what ship killed you and where it happened.

[Edit] Another crucial thing - were you on autopilot?
Rannasha Kore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-03 11:28:00 UTC
The combat log section of your character-window has a list of the so-called killmails. Here you can see who killed you (or who you killed) and some other information on the type of ship, fitting and cargo, etc...

The ship you lost, a Bestower, is a ship made to haul goods across space. As such, it has very limited defensive capabilities and since it may carry valuable cargo, it is often targeted. Using modules that increase the shields, armor or hull strength and resistances will greatly improve your survivability. If you travel in high security space (hi-sec), then your goal is to survive long enough for CONCORD (the space police) to arrive and destroy the attackers. But even with top-notch defensive modules, a group of dedicated attackers can still ruin your day.

In low-sec and null-sec, the protection of CONCORD is absent and you're on your own. Here speed and the ability to evade attackers is often more important than the strength of your defenses.

On a final note, it is very tempting to use the autopilot function when flying long distances, especially with slow vessels such as a Bestower. However, autopiloted ships warp to 10-15km from the stargate and fly slowly towards the gate to make the jump. This means that it'll take more than a minute between your ship coming out of warp and it going through the gate. When you manually give the command to warp to and jump through a stargate, your ship exits warp directly on top of the gate and you can immediately jump through.
Chil Pil
The Intrinsic Ones
#6 - 2014-06-03 11:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

And I'm not sure how I even access the combat log, etc. Like I said, this is the first time I've died to a player and I have no idea what happened. I warped in, and someone was killing me, and then I died. That's all I know. I want to know what I need to do to prevent being killed as soon as I warp into an area.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#7 - 2014-06-03 11:29:58 UTC
Chil Pil wrote:
I'm sorry, but how do I link that to you?

Is here.

You jumped into lowsec, a 0.4 security system, so anyone can attack you without repercussions (aside from the guns on the gate attacking them, although this usually isn't lethal).

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Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Chil Pil
The Intrinsic Ones
#8 - 2014-06-03 11:33:10 UTC
@Rannasha Kore

Thank you! That is the kind of information I was looking for! I appreciate it! Sorry, my previous post was typed out before I saw yours!

@Candi LeMew

Thanks, even though it stings a little bit more now with price tags attached to it. =/
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#9 - 2014-06-03 11:35:23 UTC
You're welcome. Oops

Well, to expand on that a bit...

There is repercussions in lowsec if someone attacks you, they will lose some security status and may find themselves attacked by the gate's guns (or station guns if near a station), but there is no CONCORD in lowsec like you find in highsec space.

So basically what you did wrong was to simply navigate into an unsafe area of space. Bad idea trying to take a standard hauler like that into lowsec, you'll often die within a couple jumps to someone camping a gate.

So best thing to do is inspect your route before travelling and avoid lowsec systems, unless you're properly equipped to pass through them.

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Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Chil Pil
The Intrinsic Ones
#10 - 2014-06-03 11:38:15 UTC
Is there any way to recover my stuff? (In other games you can run to your body and loot it, something similar?) Most (all) of my ISK was invested in that cargo and I kinda need it back. =/
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#11 - 2014-06-03 11:42:56 UTC
Chil Pil wrote:
Is there any way to recover my stuff? (In other games you can run to your body and loot it, something similar?) Most (all) of my ISK was invested in that cargo and I kinda need it back. =/

If you have a second account running (dual boxing) or just use another character you could fly to your wreck and loot it.

Problems there though:
  • Loot will prolly be gone already
  • By taking the loot with another character you'll go suspect, meaning you'll get a temp flag as a criminal yourself and can be attacked anywhere for 15mins.

In the case of your Bestower however you can see in the killmail that the stuff in your cargo hold wasn't 'green', meaning it didn't survive the wreck. So nope, nothing you can do to get it back.

Poke me ingame in a few hours if/when it ever goes online again and I'll sort you out. Blink

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Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Rannasha Kore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-06-03 11:44:03 UTC
Chil Pil wrote:
Is there any way to recover my stuff? (In other games you can run to your body and loot it, something similar?) Most (all) of my ISK was invested in that cargo and I kinda need it back. =/


Every fitted module and every item in cargo has a 50% chance of dropping as loot in the wreck. However, the wreck is lootable by anyone and once looted, the items are gone.

Note that wrecks disappear after 2 hours and with the game currently being offline for an extended period because of the Kronos update, the wreck (if it was still there) will be gone by the time the server is back up.
Oraac Ensor
#13 - 2014-06-03 11:48:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
A basic precaution when route-planning is to set your autopilot to 'Prefer Safer'. When you set your route it will then avoid lowsec systems if possible, but be aware that if there is no route avoiding lowsec it will plot a route with the least possible lowsec content. You can do this in the drop-down menu at top left of screen.

If you intend to do a lot of hauling look up the 'cloak/mwd trick' - it's useful in highsec as well as lowsec because you can get suicide-ganked anywhere if your attacker thinks it's worth it.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#14 - 2014-06-03 11:56:15 UTC
Don't worry about it. Lol

Welcome to EVE, where pretty much everyone is a ****.

Except me of course. Although there is a select few people I enjoy giving a hard time.

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Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-06-03 13:04:32 UTC
OP, I suggest you also convo in-game those two characters that killed you.

Ask them what happened, and what you could've done to avoid it.

There's a very high chance they'll give you good advice. (I would, if I were them)

Also, considering your 5M loss was big for you but relatively small by average game standards, there's a decent chance they might even give you all or part of your ISK back. (I might, if I were them, depending on the mood)

In my experience lowsec pirates are - on average - among the nicest people in EVE. (I am Big smile)

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#16 - 2014-06-03 13:16:43 UTC
To the op,

Dont let this turn you off of going into lowsec. Lowsec is actually not that difficult to navigate, it just requires preparation and awareness. The ingame map contains alot of information as to recent kills etc. . . You can use it to guide your route. Also you can scout your route and learn the warp/cloak trick, all of which will make travel through lowsec not foolproof but reasonable.

Also keep in mind while your loss may sting now as a newbee, the amt that you lost is easily recoverable - one mission, one exploration site, etc. . . can cover that loss. In short its better that you learned this stuff now when what you are carrying/flying is small potatoes then later with something blingy'er.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-06-03 13:45:09 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
To the op,

Dont let this put you off of going into lowsec....


fixed that for you.

a turn off is something else entirely Blink
Madin Tyone
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-06-03 14:03:09 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
To the op,

Dont let this turn you off of going into lowsec. Lowsec is actually not that difficult to navigate, it just requires preparation and awareness. The ingame map contains alot of information as to recent kills etc. . . You can use it to guide your route. Also you can scout your route and learn the warp/cloak trick, all of which will make travel through lowsec not foolproof but reasonable.

Also keep in mind while your loss may sting now as a newbee, the amt that you lost is easily recoverable - one mission, one exploration site, etc. . . can cover that loss. In short its better that you learned this stuff now when what you are carrying/flying is small potatoes then later with something blingy'er.


Couldn't have put it better myself. The first time I got podded was when I tried to cross a .4 system in a poorly tanked cargo hauler. I wasn't carrying anythng particularly valuable but I was still p****d. As others have mentioned there will be occasions where you can't avoid Lo-Sec, and in thise cases the absolute worst thing you can do is use the Autopilot.

Depending on the volume of whet you're hauling there's also the option of fitting extended cargo holds to smalle ships. There's a trade-off on performance but it means you can be better armed.

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-06-03 14:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

i don't mean to sound like a dick and to be fair, the information in the links was pretty generic but if you intend to properly learn eve, you should get comfortable with reading long walls of text. there is just too much to know in eve to sum it up in a few words or tutorials.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-06-03 15:33:04 UTC
Useful modules for a hauler:

Highs:
Cloaking Device

Medium:
Shield Extender
Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Microwarpdrive (see microwarpdrive-cloaking trick)

Lows:
Expanded Cargohold (for cargo space)
Nanofiber Internal Structure (for faster aligning to warp)
Warp Core Stabilizers (to dodge warp scrambling gankers)

Rigs:
Low Friction Nozzle Joint (faster align)
Medium Core Defense Field Extender (bigger tank)

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