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So EVE is becoming just a rental universe now is it?

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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2014-06-03 07:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

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Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#2 - 2014-06-03 07:33:25 UTC
Why dont you start a crusade against them instead of whining? Smile
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2014-06-03 07:33:27 UTC
Nothing will happen until they get to the sov overhaul. Then we will get a few new ice belts.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#4 - 2014-06-03 07:36:33 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.


I agree.

CCP should pass legislation to pressure the financial outlets of New Eden to make available outrageous low interest loans to these renter corps and alliances, so that they can purchase the pilots and infrastructure necessary to hold sov. After all, sov ownership is a fundamental right that should be available to everyone.
Jack Morrison
Team Liquid crp.
#5 - 2014-06-03 07:46:56 UTC
Yes, stuff can i haz ?

Looking for a group to pew with ? Have a chat with me.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#6 - 2014-06-03 07:47:58 UTC
AFK cloaking will fix this.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#7 - 2014-06-03 07:48:42 UTC
Start a corp.

Recruit.

Grow.

Take Sov.

Stop Complaining.

???????

Profit?

Roll

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-06-03 08:01:28 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.


Go take the sov, PL won't mind.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2014-06-03 08:05:04 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Start a corp.

Recruit.

Grow.

Take Sov.

Stop Complaining.

???????

Profit?

Roll


What about the part about being stung by bees? Do you have a plan to deal with that?

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-06-03 08:06:47 UTC
PSA how to make a hot thread:

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-06-03 08:16:11 UTC
It's not as if it's untrue

3 of the 4 top alliances by systems held are renter alliances. PBLRD, NA. and B0T combined are nearly equal in membership to the 3 largest PvP alliances.

This is worse than technetium.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#12 - 2014-06-03 08:17:59 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile


CCP did something about it, they nerfed moongoo value, so that systems were more valuable to empires as living quarters than they were as empty buffer space around very-important-towers (tm).

Why is it good for nullsec

(a) rise in population
(b) rise in corporation units that are sized for small gang warfare, that are not deployed to strategic objectives, and thus are not fleeted up in strategic sized units.

ie its likely that a good 5 man crew will get a fight or at least intercept some unwary traffic in Vale, without much fear that the CFC will order a cleanup on aisle 9 and eject you with 100 ships when you finally made someone angry by shooting the wrong afktar. In fact they only come when you start with the SBUs or their goo towers, they don't do local security.

One imagines that careful observations of NA regions would also locate regions that provide content for small gangs.

I do think this is an intermediate phase for the game, a phase where the average bear has the opportunity to lose his or her fear of null, and if you are a risk averse highsec bear, this may be the best time ever to try nullsec life.

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#13 - 2014-06-03 08:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: KnowUsByTheDead
Amyclas Amatin wrote:


What about the part about being stung by bees? Do you have a plan to deal with that?


I could care less that CFC/Goons control the sov map.

I think they are a good group of dudes, including TNT, which I was once part of, before I decided I loathed structure grinding in the Tribute War.

Realistically, there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Hence a smartass response, and the only advice you can give, with the mechanics in the game.

Part of me has hope, for the sake of hilarity, that Mittens and Co. have used the CFC as a sort of "reverse-safari" coalition, and purposely failcascade the donut before it becomes a reality, lol. Because, frankly, the fallout would be total anarchy and amazingly hilarious.

But coming onto the forums and complaining about renting certainly isn't going to change anything.

Especially with the existence of a search function.

And the fact it has been covered about a billion times now.

vOv

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-06-03 08:31:06 UTC
Andski wrote:
It's not as if it's untrue

3 of the 4 top alliances by systems held are renter alliances. PBLRD, NA. and B0T combined are nearly equal in membership to the 3 largest PvP alliances.

This is worse than technetium.

well i wouldnt expect a massive alliance/coalition to have a small renting alliance. They kinda grow in proportion to their landlord, seeing as how they are responsible for defending that space.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-06-03 08:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
I understand people may have issues with power projection.

But I don't understand why people have issues with the renting system.

If you want nullsec ISK, rent a system. Pay a bill instead of having to grind and defend your own sov. ISK-making is all about efficiency anyway: surely the major alliances are more efficient at sov warfare than the little guy?

If you want nullsec PVP, kill renters. Surely the renting system provides more (and easy) targets? The increased number of low-to-nullsec wormholes coming in Kronos should make this even easier.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-06-03 08:36:05 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
CCP did something about it, they nerfed moongoo value, so that systems were more valuable to empires as living quarters than they were as empty buffer space around very-important-towers (tm).

Why is it good for nullsec

(a) rise in population
(b) rise in corporation units that are sized for small gang warfare, that are not deployed to strategic objectives, and thus are not fleeted up in strategic sized units.

ie its likely that a good 5 man crew will get a fight or at least intercept some unwary traffic in Vale, without much fear that the CFC will order a cleanup on aisle 9 and eject you with 100 ships when you finally made someone angry by shooting the wrong afktar. In fact they only come when you start with the SBUs or their goo towers, they don't do local security.

One imagines that careful observations of NA regions would also locate regions that provide content for small gangs.

I do think this is an intermediate phase for the game, a phase where the average bear has the opportunity to lose his or her fear of null, and if you are a risk averse highsec bear, this may be the best time ever to try nullsec life.



On the other hand, small gang warfare is irrelevant to the bigger picture. A coalition doesn't collapse because some ratters got blown up or because they lost roaming gangs to gate camps or logoff traps.

0.0 has greater access, sure, but not many people want to play feudalism in space other than botters, independent supercapital builders and multiboxing ratters.

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Dave stark
#17 - 2014-06-03 08:40:41 UTC
Well what else do you do when you own 5 houses? you can only live in one of them.
Kaahles
Jion Keanturi
#18 - 2014-06-03 08:51:03 UTC
The problem here is called power creep. The problem with "fixing" that is, it's not one single change that is required. You need a whole series of changes in order to manage/stop power creep after a certain point in order to prevent it from becoming a major pain in the arse. Sov mechanics, power projection and ease of logistics are only three of the many things that need to change but a huge set of changes in that direction is very unlikely. Just look at the massive outcry over the recent JF changes, which could have tackled the ease of logistics issue. In the end it didn't really do anything and there is still a massive amount of whining and raging because of it.
Prince Kobol
#19 - 2014-06-03 09:32:15 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile


I love these kind of posts.

The same people who spout EVE is great because it s a sandbox, if you don't like go back to WoW but as soon as there is something they do not like they are "CCP Must fix x, y or z"

You can not have a Sandbox if every time there is something you do not like you go crying to CCP.

If you do not like Something then do something about it other then "CCP Blah blah blah"

Hell you haven't even suggested how things could be changed.
Pine Marten
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-06-03 09:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pine Marten
How can you fight alliances with trillions of isk that grows by tens if not hundreds of billions of isk a week and no short supply of supercarriers and titans without supers and titans of your own?


You don't.

Unless CCP changes the way 0.0 and SOV operates (I don't see how because the whole system of renting is done OOG) then the way 0.0 is, is the way it will always be.

And what is ccp's rush to change things? Most if not all of the employees of CCP are members of said overload alliances. Why would they ruin their income?
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