Science & Industry

Which goes to show what I mean. They are perfectly suited to providing small scale logistics, but woefully inadequate for bloc level needs in post-dominion Eve.

It's not just low sec. I'm in a relatively small nullsec alliance (even if we *are* backstopped by a coalition of much larger alliances) living in the ass end of Catch, and jump fuel prices are a negligible part of the local price of any hull more expensive than a T1 cruiser. BCs are significantly more expensive than cruisers while T2 frigates are sufficiently smaller that it cancels out them being cheaper than BCs. T1 destroyers are just about the worst, with transport costs being close to 50% of the price. Mods are also trivial to bring in, to the point that, if we couldn't use a JF, we would blops bridge blockade runners full of them in.

Furthermore, the quantity of stuff we ship in is necessary because I suspect that we are actually incapable of producing the raw materials for all the stuff we consume, even ignoring T2 moon materials and assuming unlimited slots. If it were better to produce locally, I think we would still be shipping a significant part of our building materials in.

As was said before, nerfing JF isn't going to bother Goons, PL, N3 etc. They are so big they just don't ******* care. We can organize 50-100 JF if needed. Most of the time when we move, there are a few Titans and maybe a SC or 2 moving that can take a crap ton of ships, plus guys bring JF along and we make JF trips several times a day

UPS would be impressed by the logistical prowess of the large coalitions

If it cost more, we won't even notice, but the small guys will be crippled
If it is more tedious, we will complain, but ask for help and we get it easily, again the little guy gets crushed

Imagine you nerf JF and the one poor bastard in a small lowsec alliance with a JF, you make his life friggin hell

He burned so bright all the chairs in 3 LY radius spontaneously exploded

...aaaaand now we're back on topic again. Right? :)

I'm working on wrangling a few minor issues, new csv this week hopefully.

Ok, seriously though. Once you are done wrangling would you be so kind as to reply to this? It is fairly pressing.

Now that Kronos is deployed, can we get an ETA for Crius on sisi so we can test the incredibly large volume of knobs and wheels you've turned?

Me again. More math, more module complaints.

Taking a look at a rank 15.6 T2 module, which is pretty consistent with my examples in the past (warp scrambler, adaptive invul, 10mn afterburner) some changes have been made that appear to decrease the TTM by a significant chunk.

Old TTM 10x rank 15.6 product:
2x (23,976 s Max Copy Time + 9,000 s Invention Attempt) OR 10x (11,000 s build time)

110,000 s Build time bottleneck

New TTM 10x rank 15.6 product:
2x (1,440 s Single Copy Time + 30,900 Invention Attempt) OR 10x (4,680 s build time)

64,680 s Science time bottleneck

Based on this the TTM is cut in half.

The problem is even worse when you take into account the lab bonus to invention time at .5.

New TTM with rank 15.6 product and array bonuses:
2x (.75 x 1,1440 + .5 x 30,900 Invention attempt) OR 10x (.75 x 4,680 s build time)

35,100 s Build time bottleneck

Shoot! Now we have a TTM that's 41% of what it used to be.

Rephrased, a single T2 builder can build over twice the amount he currently can in the same time. Phrased another way, a single producer now uses up more than twice the demand for an item he used to. I'm not certain what the goals of the Dev team for module production are, but my best guess is that you'd like to see more people playing this part of the game.

My interpretation of the way T2 module economy works is that the major determinant of the isk that can be made by doing it is linked to the amount of production time required to fill the demand. Increase the time it takes to build something, and the difference in price between the raw materials and the finished product increase. Decrease the time and the difference drops. When the difference drops, producers walk.

Because the new expansion will likely raise peoples interest in production, and the removal of barriers to the field will do the same, I would suggest being very cautious about lowering the TTM on any items. I believe it would be wise to increase them in most cases, and at the very least maintain the status quo.

just reduce the base success then :)

did anyone already mention that ~20hour cycles are pretty damn convenient ?

It's not something that's on the top of my list of concerns right now, but I'm prepared to be persuaded otherwise.