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Racial T3 Differences and roles aka is it worth training into all?
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Kaiserin Schlacht
Where's Your Castle
#1 - 2014-06-01 16:00:06 UTC
Hey,


I'm sure this has been debates before but when I searched I couldn't find a good enough breakdown so here goes


I can fly a tengu, and I would say I can fly it reasonable well (still needs more training, but hey, what doesn't). Currently I'm training into a Dominix and after that I'm considering training for a Tempest. I really don't like Battleships/Big Ships all that much though, so I've been considering training into other T3s. As I've stated, I can fly a Tengu already, and I'm now considering the Proteus and Loki (Not going to bother with Legion because amarr is not really my thing).

What is the main differences and roles between the T3s? The general consensus seems to be; Tengu is good for solo PvE, Proteus is good for cloak, and Loki is good for webbing... is that all to it? What roles do they fit and for example what makes a Proteus excell at being cloaky?

Thanks in advance
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#2 - 2014-06-01 16:08:03 UTC
If you run the gallente line, you'll get access to quite a lot of drone ships (and those gall/cald pirates). In a wormhole atleast, railprot/blasterprot and the cloaky one all are pretty reliable, so you wouldn't do anything wrong using them.

So you'd also fit into Ishtar/Gila, both are solid ships in nearly all situations, benefiting from the drone-skills invested for the dominix.
Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#3 - 2014-06-01 17:30:00 UTC
T3s are so much more than that.

-Tengu is the swiss army knife of EVE, it does everything well but nothing great. Don't believe the Tengu hype, there is a big difference between good and great.

PVE/PVP ratio on it - 80/20

-Proteus is a PVP beast, tackle range, great tank, great DPS but with rails can work in PVE as well just not as good

PVE/PVP ratio on it - 10/90

-Loki is great due to its webs with some decent tank as well

PVE/PVP ratio on it - 20/80

-Legion can go many ways, neuts, lasors, missles. Especially lasors and their low ammo usage makes them good for wormholes

PVE/PVP ratio on it - 40/60

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In the end all are viable in their own way and they will be rebalanced reasonably soon as well. You should indeed train for all.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-06-01 17:39:49 UTC
If you've done the Cruiser V, then you should do the T3 skills.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#5 - 2014-06-02 16:20:31 UTC
The cloaky-blacker Proteus works so well because it operates where blasters are best: Point Blank. It only acheives ~500-600 dps depending on fit, but can rock battleship sized tank anywhere from 100k to 200k ehp depending on how much isk you want to throw at it.

Be smart about what ships you engage and and go for opportunistic kills and the Proteus is a very valid solo killer.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2014-06-02 18:02:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
If you've done the Cruiser V, then you should do the T3 skills.


This is probably the best advice you can get in the thread.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#7 - 2014-06-02 18:19:30 UTC
The real question is,
if you don't like Battleships, why are you investing so much time into training them that could easily make for half-decent to almost max'd Tech 3s?
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-06-03 10:45:21 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
If you've done the Cruiser V, then you should do the T3 skills.


This is probably the best advice you can get in the thread.


Signed. T3 skills take close to no time to get to V and all of them have their own unique little roles.

If you are gearing towards PvP get Loki or Proteus as they are both decent in fleets and solo.

Tengu is, as said before, the swiss army knife of Eve. Not a real knife but you don't want to get stabbed by it either.

Legion has some nice niche uses and can be a scary brawler.

For PvE purposes a Tengu is usually more than enough tho.

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Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#9 - 2014-06-03 16:46:54 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
The real question is,
if you don't like Battleships, why are you investing so much time into training them that could easily make for half-decent to almost max'd Tech 3s?


This. Getting all of a single race's subsystems to 5 (1x) is less time than racial battleship 5 (8x).

It's a lot less if you're not perception/willpower spec'd.

You can even probably die twice in those 25 days, and still re-max your subsystem skills before your buddy finishes training BS5.