EVE New Citizens Q&A

They both went offline moments ago... In Nalvula I tracked them down last.

You're better off ignoring them. Looks like they're full time gankers. The only time you'll see them in space is if they're in a gank OP and/or in low/null/wh space. Unless you can sync your time to their ganking ops you won't catch them anytime soon.

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Fit is bad get your core fitting skills up. Along with your drone skills.

Right now there is not much you can do alone. Unless you really wish to dedicate yourself for the cause of making their living miserable, not caring how long you have to follow them and study their patterns. Best you can do right now is just to have new mining ship, and ensure it is more tankier than previous one. I dont mine often.. but when I do it is procurer. Cheapest barge in game and tanky enough to turn off most of the high sec gankers.

That's what happens when you try to fit an expanded launcher on just anything. OP, either learn to live without combat probes or use a separate ship for your cloaking/scanning. Trying to fit these modules on a combat ship will cripple its combat ability.

It seems you have a lot to learn about combat. I would recommend you google for some basic pvp guides. I would also recommend starting in something cheaper. If the loss of your mining barge was that upsetting, you won't be pleased when you inevitably lose the Navy Osprey (we all lose ships).

No, actually, there are defenses - you just didn't avail yourself of said defenses.

Trying to blow up people who give absolutely zero ***** about blowing up is probably the least viable response conceivable. Going after them in a navy cruiser that you don't know how to fit or fly is going to be futile at best, and embarrassing at worst.

Fly a tanked procurer, nobody will ever suicide you again.

OK, point taken. So now what? Cannot mine, cannot produce, cannot mission, what do I do, play something else until I learn to defend myself?

Well, let me tell you why I think I can't...

Mining in a Procurer, gets me about 14 mils few hours. It costs me around 40-50 mils to fit. Not very profitable.
In a Retriever I do almost double, and cost me the same to buy and fit. But Retriever (one I was in when ganked) has no tank. I was blown out of the Sky 2 seconds after seeing them on grid. Probably there are miners who keep watching the d-scan, but I highly doubt is either fun, or profitable.

More often than not, I need 100 mils to bump production and little trade I do. So I go for a few mining sessions. But if I risk 50 mils for 100 mils in 2 days, it's not worth the effort, I'd better be selling PLEX for money and do nothing else. It's just not profitable.

Yes, I am solo for now, with own corp and some money.

But now? I am not a miner, but I need to mine not because it is profitable or fun, but because it's a way to make quick cash. When I need for some 100mln blueprints what my options are? Missions? PvP? I guess, mining while doing some other things...

Dunno... I have no idea how to protect me. Procurer, yes probably would have survived, I don't really know, but Retriever would not stand a chance.

PvP never attracted me. Missioning? Yes, for standings, but it is not fun. Salvage is bad, rewards is bad... So where to at this point?

From this thread you seem to be fairly interested in PvP. There's no shame in being new to player combat, you just need to start small and gain experience before you put your whole wallet into it.

If not...you don't really seem to like mining, missions, industry, or trading. There's always data/relic sites and combat exploration, but you won't find it much different from missions. My main recommendation is find a good corporation. Everything in EVE is more fun in a group, and no matter what you are doing you'll learn much faster with people to talk to. Whether it's learning how to hunt down your enemies, or having access to a wide array of corporate blueprints to fulfill your industrial fantasies.

Okay, you're using a pretty liberal definition of "can't". You're opting not to do that because you don't like the way the numbers come out, where as "can't" implies a literal inability to do it.

Also, your calculations regarding the "profitability" of an activity are frankly nonsensical. First of all, all you've really done is moved some value from cash to an asset on your balance sheet. Secondly, since very little in Eve depreciates you can amortize your startup costs across an indefinite period of time, provided you don't get yourself blown up. If you spend 50 million on a ship and on average you make 5 million per hour with it, and it survives for 100 hours before being destroyed, you're netting 5,000,000 - 500,000 = 4,500,000 per hour.

If it DOESN'T get destroyed, you can simply resell it for roughly what you paid for it, converting that asset value back into cash.



So, let's see if I get you...

You're unwilling to accept the lower yield from not using a retriever, and...
You're also unwilling to accept the risk involved in getting a higher yield, AND...
You're ALSO unwilling to ameliorate that risk through good opsec practices, like watching local and dscan.

Sorry, but all of that is on you. None of those are "can't" problems. If you want to mine in a retriever, you need to accept the risk of losing it, and practice some basic risk-management techniques such as keeping an eye on local, and mining in out-of-the-way systems where gankers are less likely to venture.

If you want to safely AFK mine with minimal risk of being ganked, you need to accept the lower yield and smaller ore hold provided by a procurer.



Yes, activities that are pretty much open to all and have no barrier to entry are, generally speaking, not going to produce impressive sums of money. Mining is basically internet-space ditch digging.





TBH I've made most of my isk through production and I've never undocked a mining barge in my life. I kind of doubt you're producing profitably if you NEED to mine.

Also, see the link in my sig.