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[Request] Can the CSM request the CCP to provide an update on WiS

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#1 - 2014-06-01 07:43:23 UTC
So at the moment, with the introduction of yet more clothing options to the New Eden store (previously NeX store), numerous threads on avatars (and things you could do with them, and an almost two year old thread (that was recently closed) on the exploration prototype, I would like to request that the CSM ask CCP for a state of play on the feature.

The main questions that come to mind are.

  • Will it be anything more than a display cabinet for clothing purchases?
  • Is project Legion meant to satisfy players wanting meaningful avatar gameplay?
  • What does CCP see as the future of this feature (hopefully more than a micro transaction display cabinet).


I'm sure other players have their own questions.

There is certainly interest in the expansion of this feature. It would be appreciated if the CSM could at least ask the question of CCP. I have no expectation as to when they deliver the feature. But it does seem that the new development cadence should allow at least for something (other than clothes).
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2014-06-01 08:27:37 UTC
Flamespar wrote:


The main questions that come to mind are.
[list]
  • Will it be anything more than a display cabinet for clothing purchases?

    • CCP Unifex said 2 years ago that CCP had completely suspended development of the Incarna code.

    What have you heard since then to make you think that anything has changed?


    I mean I don't know how to make this any clearer. WiS has had zero priority since 2011, which is essentially forever in development terms. CCP have a whole bunch of other development priorities, and given that developing WiS is not significantly different from developing a whole new game, which they're already doing with 2 projects right now anyway, what's their incentive? So that some people who are already paying them for a game can go "yeah that's pretty cool I guess"?

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    Flamespar
    WarRavens
    #3 - 2014-06-01 08:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
    Malcanis wrote:
    Flamespar wrote:


    The main questions that come to mind are.
    [list]
  • Will it be anything more than a display cabinet for clothing purchases?

    • CCP Unifex said 2 years ago that CCP had completely suspended development of the Incarna code.

    What have you heard since then to make you think that anything has changed?


    I mean I don't know how to make this any clearer. WiS has had zero priority since 2011, which is essentially forever in development terms. CCP have a whole bunch of other development priorities, and given that developing WiS is not significantly different from developing a whole new game, which they're already doing with 2 projects right now anyway, what's their incentive? So that some people who are already paying them for a game can go "yeah that's pretty cool I guess"?


    Two years ago, from someone who no longer works for CCP.

    What is wrong in asking for information two years later?

    *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
    Where is the harm in asking CCP for an update exactly? Even if it is a no, then at least it comes from an official source.
    ISD Ezwal
    ISD Community Communications Liaisons
    ISD Alliance
    #4 - 2014-06-02 10:15:55 UTC
    I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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    Kaarous Aldurald
    Black Hydra Consortium.
    #5 - 2014-06-02 14:58:54 UTC
    Flamespar wrote:

    Where is the harm in asking CCP for an update exactly? Even if it is a no, then at least it comes from an official source.


    You already got an official source, it was just two years ago.

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    Aliastra
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    #6 - 2014-06-03 11:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
    Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
    Flamespar wrote:

    Where is the harm in asking CCP for an update exactly? Even if it is a no, then at least it comes from an official source.


    You already got an official source, it was just two years ago.


    Here is a statement made by CCP's Fozzie around 5 months ago in an interview to USGamer:
    Quote:
    Walking in stations right now is not the priority for us. We're focused on the space game play in EVE: the core game play. It's definitely something we could return to later, but at this time we're very focused on making EVE the best space game it can be.

    Sounds pretty official for me. And expanding the game content far further than simple [10 years old] gameplay of "ships pew-pewing in a space" should be a priority, in fact. Just binding some external project of casual mmo shooter with BF-like mechanics (as if "casual" wasn't enough) to Eve universe won't do for this.

    WiS/Incarna could be a great step to these new frontiers, if done well. If it offered new tools allowing players to modify visual appearance of New Eden, from their clothing to stations' designs, this would be it. If it allowed completely new forms of interaction between players, other than [already starting to become] boring "shoot him in face while in space" - not just strategic minigames and interactable soft chairs, more like games of chance fully inegrated into the game client (so allowing you to bid any ingame object or asset in your possestion, including CEO rights and your own character's mental health and guarantee its transfering to the winner without constant need for some third party even if you just want to bid petty 500m at 3pm and Chribba apparently sometimes need to sleep too), assasinations/duels on stations (under the mechanics other than ships' battles), ability to transfer some high valued assets only in person while on station and ability to intercept such deals - it would be it too.

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    Flamespar
    WarRavens
    #7 - 2014-06-07 11:32:18 UTC
    There are so many directions that they could take avatars, all of which are far more interesting than the current "dolly in a closet simulator". It's just a matter of picking a direction that can be done with available resources.
    Freelancer117
    So you want to be a Hero
    #8 - 2014-06-08 16:04:24 UTC
    Flamespar wrote:
    It would be appreciated if the CSM could at least ask the question of CCP. I have no expectation as to when they deliver the feature. But it does seem that the new development cadence should allow at least for something (other than clothes).


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