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No need, at this time it is not happening. Some other people convinced me not to. Killmails relating to wars however will still be made available.

I have to disagree on this point here. When there is a fight between more than two parties, with more than one attacker present, a killmail is ONLY generated for the attacker that gets the final blow, and a lossmail for the defender. All other attackers and participants in the fight do not actually have any control over posting the kill/lossmails. It is often the case however in these mixed fight situations (common in lowsec, and some highsec fights) that some of those who are on the mail would want it posted, but have absolutely no control over having the mail posted, speaking from experience here, so to say that ALL involved parties don't want the killmails available is simply incorrect.

For those of us who value killmails, who pride ourselves in the kills we get, and being able to show them off, this denies us that bragging right, that prize, simply because whoever got the final blow isn't in a corp that auto-posts mails, and the victim doesn't bother.

Furthermore, as was mentioned above, not posting the killmails is not explicit proof that they chose not to post the mails, but rather they may not have known how to, may not have cared enough to, may not have remembered to, may not have even realised they got the kill, or even known what a killmail was. I would be HIGHLY surprised if over 20% of your 3.6 figure of unposted mails is made up of cases where the aggressor consciously chose not to post the mail.

There's not much sense in going deeper into this after Foxfour's reply. But since you went through the trouble to post, I'll briefly reply as well.

Simply bad.

1. If you wanted to go into this amount of detail, namely 'Alarm! Players are acting against their held convictions, so we can't measure that!', then please account for this error on the 96.4% side. Which would occur about 27x as frequent.
2. This is uncertainty. It doesn't mean unlikely. It means you cannot, in your machinations, in good conscience discount room for error. With this change upon us, you could. xkcd, 882, Significant.

Now this makes a hell of a lot more sense than Sven, and is a good point. Personally, I suspect this corrected for would make the largest difference.


"For those of us who don't want to be tracked publicly every step of the way, we are already subjected to other people's wishes being valued higher 96.4% of the time." This just said towards your bringing forth competing interests. However, that indeed every participant, including logi, SHOULD generate this mail, there is hardly an argument to be had between us.


"Posting killmails is not explicit proof that they chose to post the mails, but rather they may forget about their auto-post, their corp posts w/o consent, or consultation, may not have cared enough to toggle it off."

You are right that it is inexact w/o sitting behind every player's chair and checking. You say you'd be surprised if the actual number wasn't much less, I say I'd be surprise if the actual number wouldn't go up a lot, if we could correct for these shortcomings. But these are the numbers from CCP and zKillboard for December, have you better?


We can argue around the edges a lot, but it remains that if you publish the now unpublished, you are targeting exactly who detest it the most, for little or no additional benefit to the rest.

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