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Worm, GIla and Rattlesnake pilots
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Vtra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-06-01 23:37:09 UTC
After the patch changes to the respective ships will you be more willing to use Augmented drones ? Post patch only being able to use 2 at a time would it not be better to spend the extra isk and use those instead as they have higher tank values and are faster?
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-06-02 01:26:43 UTC
A single gecko is like having a HAC fly around for you, just much better agility and tracking.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Vtra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-06-02 03:25:08 UTC
Ok that settles it for the Rattlesnake but what about the worm and Gila?
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#4 - 2014-06-02 06:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
I might risk a couple of Aug. Hobgoblins in a Worm, being that they're a mere 15 million apiece at the moment. I'd really much rather have a pair of Aug. Hornets, but at about 50 mil apiece, **** no. Even if I only need 2 per ship I might as well fly a Tech II cruiser instead. I'll just put up a laughable buy order like everyone else and hope for the best. Hopefully the market on those will stabilize, son.

The Gila is becoming such a dramatically different ship that I don't really know what to do with it. I'd rather build it as cheap as possible just to test the waters once I graduate to using cruisers in PvP.

I use my Rattlesnake for PvE. Since there aren't any Augmented Sentry drones I won't be using any. Cry

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Burtzum
Det Som Engang Var
#5 - 2014-06-02 07:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Burtzum
Yes. I bought 2x Augmented Hammerheads and 2x Augmented Vespas for my Gila. 15mil each. I'll buy 2x of the Valkyries and Infiltrators if I can get them around the same price.

I only have the drone specializations at 4 so these will give me more DPS than T2 drones after the patch, plus more tank, more speed, more tracking. The only down side is I can't target resist holes as precisely due to their dual damage types. Maybe all the benefits will outweigh the dual damage-type quality, I'll give them a try for a while at least.
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-06-02 09:12:55 UTC
You should consider faction drones. More HP than T2 (plus the Guristas bonus makes them tough to kill before they get scooped again). Good tracking and almost T2 DPS after the changes.

+ they are fairly cheap - compared to augmented and integrated drones.

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Vtra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-06-02 22:38:52 UTC
Camper101 wrote:
You should consider faction drones. More HP than T2 (plus the Guristas bonus makes them tough to kill before they get scooped again). Good tracking and almost T2 DPS after the changes.

+ they are fairly cheap - compared to augmented and integrated drones.




I underlined the part I am curious about, wouldnt most min/maxers want the augmented for the obvious dps bump? and Integrated are ****.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-06-02 23:37:25 UTC
Vtra wrote:
Camper101 wrote:
You should consider faction drones. More HP than T2 (plus the Guristas bonus makes them tough to kill before they get scooped again). Good tracking and almost T2 DPS after the changes.

+ they are fairly cheap - compared to augmented and integrated drones.




I underlined the part I am curious about, wouldnt most min/maxers want the augmented for the obvious dps bump? and Integrated are ****.


actually i havent looked at augmented and integrated drones, as the prices and the damage spread turned me down as i was new and mostly missioning.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#9 - 2014-06-03 00:18:14 UTC
t2 for worm because a huge bonus to a small amount of hp is still small.
augs for gila, because 500% bonus is pretty sweet.
Gecko for Snake assuming it is still at least the same damage as 2x ogres.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2014-06-03 08:34:19 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
t2 for worm because a huge bonus to a small amount of hp is still small.
augs for gila, because 500% bonus is pretty sweet.
Gecko for Snake assuming it is still at least the same damage as 2x ogres.


Pretty sure its a tiny bit less.. Not entirely sure though.

But its faster and all around better.

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Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-06-03 09:46:42 UTC
Vtra wrote:
Camper101 wrote:
You should consider faction drones. More HP than T2 (plus the Guristas bonus makes them tough to kill before they get scooped again). Good tracking and almost T2 DPS after the changes.

+ they are fairly cheap - compared to augmented and integrated drones.




I underlined the part I am curious about, wouldnt most min/maxers want the augmented for the obvious dps bump? and Integrated are ****.


The faction ones get quite a bit better tracking, so application wise they might be the better choice (depending on which drone you use of course and what you intend to shoot with them) - for minmaxers Augmented drones are the best but they come with quite a pricetag.


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sir bakeraxes QUACK
FAIL Clan
#12 - 2014-06-04 01:25:47 UTC
you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.
JrLUK
Rogue Pinapples
#13 - 2014-06-04 09:03:02 UTC
sir bakeraxes QUACK wrote:
you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.


I don't understand why everyone is whining. 1400dps on my Rattlesnake right now. with my Gecko doing more damage than some of my fully fit ships. The Gila has a 500% drone bonus for christs sake.

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Damon Messer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-06-04 11:53:56 UTC
sir bakeraxes QUACK wrote:
you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.


Hello, my Gila that passive tanks almost as good as a Drake but deals 2x more dps would like to have a word with you.
Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#15 - 2014-06-04 13:01:56 UTC
sir bakeraxes QUACK wrote:
you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.


I think this guy is not the brightest in the book, since he is complaining about 5 lights an what not. Obviously has no idea about game mechanics or so.

For instance, if you use the rattlesnake with one gecko, the dps on the gecko is so massively high, you basically have a HAC or T3 cruiser flying around for you alone. And they can hit frigates and cruisers easily. I really dont see the problem otherwise then the usual "my playingstyle got nerfed and i can't adapt because then i might have to think" whining.

Guristas ships are excellent now.
Patrick Berlin
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#16 - 2014-06-04 14:19:42 UTC
What drones would people recommend, I've had a look at the stats and it looks like some of the faction drones do better damage and have more EHP than the Augmented ones?

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Vtra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-06-04 14:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vtra
Augmented>Faction>Integrated>Tech 1
DPS, HP, meh, ewwww
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#18 - 2014-06-04 19:54:03 UTC
JrLUK wrote:
sir bakeraxes QUACK wrote:
you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.


I don't understand why everyone is whining. 1400dps on my Rattlesnake right now. with my Gecko doing more damage than some of my fully fit ships. The Gila has a 500% drone bonus for christs sake.

1400 paper dps.

When you account for the lost damage due to lost missile volleys (since their speed got reduced, more likely to waste volleys) and gecko travel time, I suspect that 1400 number drops a lot lower.
Shari Evan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-06-05 01:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Shari Evan
Chris Winter wrote:
JrLUK wrote:
sir bakeraxes QUACK wrote:
you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.


I don't understand why everyone is whining. 1400dps on my Rattlesnake right now. with my Gecko doing more damage than some of my fully fit ships. The Gila has a 500% drone bonus for christs sake.

1400 paper dps.

When you account for the lost damage due to lost missile volleys (since their speed got reduced, more likely to waste volleys) and gecko travel time, I suspect that 1400 number drops a lot lower.


I agree. The Gecko is a, interestingly enough, highly overrated Drone. Omni damage is interesting in PvP in some cases, not every case though. If you're shooting against someone's highest resistance, you can argue you don't deal damage at all at this specific type of resistance. E.g. every hitted 80%+ resistance will decrease the damage of the Gecko by 25%. And after 2 Resistances the damage drops significantly. However, Cruise-Rattles with Rigor II and Flare II or Rapid Heavy-Rattles with Range/Rigor rigs will hit, maybe with decreased damage - but still: Sentry + Cruise / RHM Rattles dish out some beastly dps with a nice application for just the cost of maybe twice the hull. And the Hull isn't that Expensive.

However, Worms and Gilas are somewhat overpowered. Don't get me wrong, i'm not bragging about their power. But still, a Drone-Frig with more Passive Tank and more DPS than an Assault Frig and a 800 DPS cruiser with rapid light missiles. I don't know, it feels broken. On the Other hand, the Worm might be a interesting Low-SP ship since the damage and the HP of the Drones is the racial bonus, which makes the Guristas ships quite good, even with just a Frig-Skill of 2 or Cruiser skill of 2.
In PvP Fleets though - the Gila and the Worm are, imho (and i flew them in a Corp-Fleet) are broken.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-06-05 01:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Shari Evan wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
JrLUK wrote:
sir bakeraxes QUACK wrote:
you might as well sell them before the bottom falls out on all gurista ships. they are junk now bandwith that low there`s no point in flying them anymore. I can field 5 lights with every navy ship I have the only pirate ship that can is the rattlesnake and it`s not worth it.


I don't understand why everyone is whining. 1400dps on my Rattlesnake right now. with my Gecko doing more damage than some of my fully fit ships. The Gila has a 500% drone bonus for christs sake.

1400 paper dps.

When you account for the lost damage due to lost missile volleys (since their speed got reduced, more likely to waste volleys) and gecko travel time, I suspect that 1400 number drops a lot lower.


I agree. The Gecko is a, interestingly enough, highly overrated Drone. Omni damage is interesting in PvP in some cases, not every case though. If you're shooting against someone's highest resistance, you can argue you don't deal damage at all at this specific type of resistance. E.g. every hitted 80%+ resistance will decrease the damage of the Gecko by 25%. And after 2 Resistances the damage drops significantly. However, Cruise-Rattles with Rigor II and Flare II or Rapid Heavy-Rattles with Range/Rigor rigs will hit, maybe with decreased damage - but still: Sentry + Cruise / RHM Rattles dish out some beastly dps with a nice application for just the cost of maybe twice the hull. And the Hull isn't that Expensive.

However, Worms and Gilas are somewhat overpowered. Don't get me wrong, i'm not bragging about their power. But still, a Drone-Frig with more Passive Tank and more DPS than an Assault Frig and a 800 DPS cruiser with rapid light missiles. I don't know, it feels broken. On the Other hand, the Worm might be a interesting Low-SP ship since the damage and the HP of the Drones is the racial bonus, which makes the Guristas ships quite good, even with just a Frig-Skill of 2 or Cruiser skill of 2.
In PvP Fleets though - the Gila and the Worm are, imho (and i flew them in a Corp-Fleet) are broken.


to cite ccp fozzie or was it rise at fanfest. better i will rephrase it to better hit your post a pirate ship which doesnt break the balance is not a pirate ship.

The gecko is still a great drone also i only use it in incursions, i think t2 are better for everything else
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