EVE General Discussion

Joking aside, CCP are in a no win situation here.

A lot of player presume/suspect that most null sec alliances are heavily engaged in RMT (rightly or wrongly) and everything that includes.

The majority of members of all of the CSM combined are\were members of large null sec alliances.

People who are currently employed by CCP also were part of the same null sec alliances that have / are currently part of the CSM.

So when the topic on conversation turns to RMT/Bots the perception of a lot of players is that CCP are aware of those who part take in RMT but because of friendships / history / past associations etc that they turn a blind eye. (Again rightly or wrongly)

You can also throw into the mix that many people think that CCP are scared of punishing these said alliances as it might lead to a significant number of players leaving and CCP are in a no-win situation.

The only way CCP could ever prove to the Eve population that they do take the business of banning players who are involved in RMT is to name and shame, however that is something I can never see them doing.

So we are in this situation where when it comes to the subject of RMT, CCP will always look bad.

Now quite a few months back CCP Screeg was quite vocal here on the forums and a big show was put on all about the subject of bots and RMT and yet everything went very quite and we have heard next to nothing.

Now some people will just point out the CCP Screeg was a member/leader of the goons and most likely involved in RMT so he can not be trusted.

Again we arrive at CCP can not win.

The question that needs to be answered by the player base is

"How can CCP make the players believe that people who are involved in RMT are punished"

If this question can not be answered then nothing CCP do will ever be enough.

the irony

Nerf local in 0.0 imo is the solution. Provide intel tools that bots aren't able to just check pixel color to use. The botters would keep at it for a while till they got sick of people farming them for easy guaranteed kills then they would go bot high sec lvl4s. Good!! further decrease in value of lp (the high sec nerf we've been waiting for!).

FORGET BOTS!!! (Caps intended.)

The bot problem is a CCP problem. Not a player problem.

We keep paying them.

They keep saying they are going to do something to fix it.

They don't.

We keep paying them anyway.

From kind of an Icelandic point of view . . . makes sense to me.

Tragic

I think an update from CCP is due on their action against bots.

I've been doing some exploration and guess what I see, some noob corp within a renter alliance of one of the power blogs, with corp and player names slightly more creative then before. Players of this corp spread through different systems ratting in drakes. ALso the system they rat in doesn't really belong to them but is empty from other owners.

Here is an issue, once CCP increased pressure on BOTs, bot also have probably got more creative - so I wonder if CCP has stopped upped their game and is working harder.

Additionally, I was reading one of the post on eve-o forums listed a bot source - which I'm not going to repeat , but it's not a direct website, but a source - I was curious and checked it out - the bot seller claims 100% no detection by CCP - and buyer feedback is all positive. I still wouldn't even try it or trust it from not stealing my passwords and credit cards credentials - but I'm sure other people just buy it - and looking at the site the program is very popular in feedback - verifiable feedback btw nothing fake.

This tells me CCP is greatly behind their game. This also tells me that all PR they did about fighting bots was only temporary to keep players down - because they were loosing subscriptions.

In short,bots still there- CCP is quiet. Hopefully an update will come forth from CCP - proving that they are still working hard on the issue and perhaps issuing some statistics.

They did.

They gave am all another bot for 60 days.

I agree that the botting problem is getting completely out of hand, and has to be dealt with in some radical way. I recently came across an entire forum dedicated to assisting people with botting in EVE. Perhaps I was naive before, but I never knew that botting was rampant enough to generate an entire subcommunity assisting in its practice. That is completely unacceptable, and very disheartening to see people ruin a game as unique as EVE with rampant cheating.

Edit: I think it's worth saying that I actually attempted to notify CCP of the forum I mentioned, but have yet to hear of any response.

Very true.

The hate comes from the fact that such a practice is against the rules, and cheating in a game as unique like this is a pretty cruel thing to do. It gives them an obvious an unfair advantage. There's no other games like EVE really. Ruin this, and we have nothing left.

As for how many botters there actually are, see my previous post regarding people using bots having a subcommunity forum. It's sickening.

Nah Im not saying botting werent a very very bad thing. It sure is unfair for all who arent and after all its a multiplayer game and playing along with a bot kinda contradicts the idea behind an MMO.

But my point is I dont feel like botting is such a great problem in Eve and often people just exaggerate. For instance a few months back I was farming belt rats in a very quiet low sec system and some guy enters local. So I warp to my safespot, turn the cloak on and go grab some coffee from my kitchen. When Im back in front of my computer the whole local chat is spammed with some broken english "bot bot" bragging and a another few minutes later a GM actually shows up and literally asks me if I was botting.
That was probably the most rediculous thing I ever experienced in my Eve life and I guess in some form it happens rather regularly.