Crime & Punishment

You do realize that high sec wars can be almost completely mitigated right? Without joining an alliance, or dropping your corp, and you can skip the entire e-bullying crap too.

Theres sooo many ways to go about getting around a war..

Fly something fast if your traveling.. A nano'd interceptor (with warp speed rig) for travel is pretty much not catchable. Even a cloaky T3 (because those are fun to catch in Empire and just as Hard in Null/Low).

If you really wanted to drive them crazy, get your friends to fit out cheap Merlins with NanoFibers, and Polycarb Rigs to zip around from gate to gate- this really annoys the snot out of any group of would be aggressors.


You could move out to some remote pocket of space for a week, just get a trusted corp member to use an alt to Freighter the essentials out there (or Red Frog who are amazing for this). Live in the middle of nowhere for a few days, and if they find you, rinse, repeat. (Derelik anyone?)

Theres even a few High Sec pockets that are 3 or 4 systems completely surrounded by lowsec (Avada, Ronne, Eldulf; just some examples). Most griefer corps are full of people that prey on the weak, and will avoid low-sec like the plague. Hell if your corp bases out of there anyway, your chances of even being noticed by these people is pretty damn small (plus- they'd have to get by whatever pirates live in those areas anywhere, before they can get to you).


Or you could stay in one system, make tons of bookmarks with an alt, distribute them to your corp, and go back to business as usual, just stay aligned in missions/belts/wherever... Just make sure you have a bookmark at your station so you land on top of it, and can dock immediately (and have a group of instant undocking bookmarks in random intervals for 2000km from the station).


Any of these simple things can make a war more bother then its worth, even the dedicated will get bored after a few days, just play defensively, be prepared, and know when to run away. The only difference between most griefers and most carebears is a basic knowledge of game mechanics; so instead of joining dec shield; why not have fun, and learn to be a better pilot?

The entire point of this game is to have fun, with friends or by yourself. If your new to pvp and have limited knowledge fit out a couple rifters, mash some buttons, get some adrenaline pumping, and have fun... all for 2-4m ISK per explosion. God forbid you might figure out some good squad tactics, forcibly run off your opponents and suddenly enjoy occasional PvP.

When my mains greif corp got war dec'd by mercs who were hired to kill us for using shady agro timer tactics against a noob mission running corp which we had allready dec'd we used dec shield to remove the unwanted war dec. Cheers keep this great service up, unwanted wars are a pain in the arse I want to engage my targets when i choose not them. We just re dec'd our targets again after.

If you don't want PVP, leave the game.

Simple as that.

Claiming CCP should listen to the members who joined a PVP game and then complain there is PVP in it would require CCP being ********. They would also lose all the members who are actually out there playing the game as an MMO, and keep you insular solo mission running carebears, who have never done anything worth mentioning, ever. Oh look you saved the Damsel for the 800th time? Post it on EN24.

I KNOW WHAT. Great plan for you. Why don't you book a holiday to the arctic and then complain it's too cold?

**** off and play X3. Alt-tab to Skype if you really need to do this with friends.

Your playing a game, almost entirely built around PvP

says who? don't see that written anywhere. did ccp say it? funny im looking on this chart "what to do in eve" and only about 10-15% of it seems to be pvp...

find me some official statement from the developers that this is "primarily a pvp game".

So essentially what your preaching is instead of becoming a better player/pilot and building strength in teamwork within your organization; your just not going to play for a day because someone war dec'd you?

you mean becoming better at something i dont want to do? what, you mean undock in my rifter and get blown up, rinse and repeat ad nauseum? hey, you tell me that a rifter can blow up a tengu, that its actually possible, and ill get to work on it right now figuring out how.

If your in a corporation, and you get war-dec'd and things start to fall apart FIND A BETTER CORP.

as mentioned before, we're a small time corp of 5 rl friends. we dont have to disband and we wont disband.

basically all the anger in this thread boils down to 1 thing:

bullies mad they can't bully anymore.

On the main Page.
On the "about" page
On the "frequently asked questions" page
On all the marketing they've ever done
In all the media about Eve
In the tutorial

If you want to hear dev quotes on this, stick "cold harsh universe" into eve-search and read the hundreds of posts.

"More to do than PVP" does not mean you should be able to do this in an environment free of it. They are not mutually exclusive. I can PVE in nullsec, why can't you?

In fact, wonderful straw man builder, why don't you show me where, in marketing material or otherwise, Eve advertises something akin to a "safe area" free from the usual PVP?

Yes this game is a PVP game.

Whether it is Explosions, Markets, Industial. People are competing with each other, it is just the form it takes place in thats differs.

I prever the explosions type of PVP. Others don't so I no problem with them trying to get away from that form of PVP, which Dec Shield allows them to.

What I do get tired about is the those that want to violence a ship call those that don't pussies. Everybody has their way of playing the game.

Just let it be and move on to the next target, it really is that simple.

People that don't want to fight do get caught in wars sometimes, it just takes carefull coordination and entrapment to catch them for that kill. Whther it is at a gate, or in a belt in some secluded system. You can catch them if you try.

So I really don't understand what the fightin is about. Some people enjoy building empires, others like shooting it down.

I try to avoid posting other than if I need some help or I want to help. So awaiting the flames

FWIW my main was/is mainly carebear - missions, mining, industrialist and I set up an alt account purely for PvP.

They have joined a corp that are PvP and regularly do roams in low/nul sec.

Yes Eve has PvP but it is not a PvP only game and it really is annoying for people to use that 'argument' to justify high-sec griefing.

I have been ganked and accept it but when a corp war decs a pure carebear corp it really is a rather sad comment on the war deccers as individuals and their skill (or lack of) in game. I'm happy to admit I'm crap at PvP but love the rush you get when you're sent through a gate first and get jumped by a gang - overloading everything whilst you move towards hull and your corpmates jump in - like last night -I lost a BC but we took down a tier 3 BC and 2 other BC's with even numbers - was fun.

However, we went out looking for trouble - griefing people enough does lead to ragequit - yeah no doubt hilarious to some but you can have your chuckles and a challenge going to low sec - everyone knows the score - if you're there expect trouble. Personally our corp generally leave indy's etc alone - I mean what skill is involved FFS any teenage, socially excluded malcontent can get a kill by attacking those they perceive as weak - personally if I did that I wouldn't brag about it...but then I don't understand how you get your kicks by irritating others and the 'tears' of someone who quits game seems to be the ultimate joy .

Mind you if all the carebears were griefed out of game (yeah never happen) you might have to fight corps that are even remotely half decent and maybe you'd quit

Sorry - without getting involved in a flame war - i agree there shouldn't be nil risk - but I'm talking about deliberate griefing for the sake of it. Frankly, if a high sec 'carebear' corp has members smack talking and hassling people - yeah war decc them - legitimate reason. But war deccing people just doing their own thing makes no sense to me. It's just for easy kills and, frankly, is just playground bullying in a different format ...yes this is just a game....but some people play just to relax and mining etc is there way of doing that. Kicking them about because you can or because they don't PvP is just ....meh. Yeah it's a sandbox and I wouldn't change the mechanics in any way but I can't comprehend the mentality.

People who deliberately target them for this are merely turning people off the game, to me that makes the game a less rich environment. My opinion, not right or wrong and I'm sure many disagree with me but I have seen both sides of the coin and being decced as a PvP corp with home stations in high sec (next to low) is a different scenario than a small PvE based corp who have no idea about PvP and so are just easy kills for the people who war decc for no reason at all. When we are decced we will lose ships we will hunt them and attack their POSs etc - and so they get gf and so do we....just really lame (IMHO) attacking a non-PvP based corp - like hunting your prey when it's tied to a post - you don't have to dislike hunting to see the patheticness of the scenario.

Seriously, grow a set,

a set of wha- oh. i see your problem. you take this game too seriously. hey bro let me ask you... when you turn your computer off, are you still a hero...?

maybe one day you will actually experience 'playing EvE'.

i have an alt in rvb, does that count?!

Whats the point of mining, exploration, mission running and industry if in your perfect no violence internet spaceship world, no ships ever get destroyed?

i don't know "bro", the last i checked people played games for fun, and some people do indeed have fun doing those htings.

You make money off these things because **** explodes. Back to your meager carebear ***** prattle.

yeah, and? that doesn't make this a "pvp game" nor does it necessitate my corp being wardecced for 2 months.