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Faction Drone Damage Amplifiers

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TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#1 - 2014-05-25 03:22:03 UTC
So, I waited with baited breath for the new drone modules and today I finally got a set on Singuarlity.

I estimate that these modules will cost ~100m like most faction dps augmentors do.

I was aware of the DPS nerf to my Ishtar, I was hoping the faction DDAs would help this.

They didn't really.

What gives, CCP? You expect me to pay 400m to raise my DPS by 48.4? (6.5% over t2)?

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#2 - 2014-05-25 04:55:39 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
You expect me to pay 400m to raise my DPS by 48.4? (6.5% over t2)?



CCP doesn't expect you to do anything.

Whether to spend that isk or not is entirely your own decision.
Meandering Milieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-05-25 14:47:21 UTC
I'll admit this is sad to see. I love my ishtar, and even though I don't like the garde dps nerf coming, I figured I'd live with it without much complaint.

Really depressing though that with 4 faction DDAs you can't get to pre nerf stats.

And think, you would need gal drone specialization V too. A 20 day skill.

It's kind of insane the drone nerfs coming over the ishtar.

Anyways, I've always been a dedicated drone pilot. I flew drones before the DDAs and drone aggro changes, I flew them after, and I'll fly them after this.

It's sad though, that instead of nerfing the ship that causes problems, you nerf the drones, effectively nerfing every ship that can use them.
Bohneik Itohn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-05-25 15:38:38 UTC
Meandering Milieu wrote:
I'll admit this is sad to see. I love my ishtar, and even though I don't like the garde dps nerf coming, I figured I'd live with it without much complaint.

Really depressing though that with 4 faction DDAs you can't get to pre nerf stats.

And think, you would need gal drone specialization V too. A 20 day skill.

It's kind of insane the drone nerfs coming over the ishtar.

Anyways, I've always been a dedicated drone pilot. I flew drones before the DDAs and drone aggro changes, I flew them after, and I'll fly them after this.

It's sad though, that instead of nerfing the ship that causes problems, you nerf the drones, effectively nerfing every ship that can use them.


To be fair the drones needed a bit of a nerf to bring them in line with the other racial drones without homogenizing everything too much. It gives a lot of incentive to try dropping something else in the bay and tweaking your setup a bit.

Oh, and after watching Ishtar AHAC's mow through other AHAC fleets while gobbling lol-cakes and posting on reddit, I can see why this happened.

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Meandering Milieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-25 17:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Meandering Milieu
Bohneik Itohn wrote:


Oh, and after watching Ishtar AHAC's mow through other AHAC fleets while gobbling lol-cakes and posting on reddit, I can see why this happened.


Funny thing, you can kill drones.

Ishtars have given me and my alliance problems at home ( they've given all of eve problems from what I understand), they are tough, maneuverable, and because they don't have to fit guns, they have tons of fitting for nothing but tank and mobility.

A few weeks back though, a battlecruiser fleet I was in managed to drive off an ishtar fleet, by simply killing their drones. Crazy I know. The ishtar's dps was crazy too, logi could barely keep up ( I went into 80% structure myself before they saved me) and we did lose a few. However free fire on drones cleared out enough that they were forced to leave the field, and we won.

Drones are unique in this sense, and sentries are a battleship class weapon. However they seem to fall short on the ishtar. Once you fit for tank/dmg mods to get that crazy ~750 dps post nerf, you don't have the CPU for the turrets. If you Armor tank, you aren't getting that crazy dps.

However a mega with 4 faction Magstabs, parallel to this ishtar, pulls around ~700dps depending on cal navy antimatter or javelin. That doesn't count their drones though. Simply add mediums and they pop well over 850 dps. The hyperion with 5 sentries and a full wrack of guns can do the same.

Fine though, the ishtar is a cruiser hull, and therefor shouldn't have the same theoretical dps as a battleship sized hull. If the ishtar was a problem, why not nerf it directly, instead of nerfing every sentry using drone boat in the game?

As for making the other racial varients more desirable, not having four 20 day skills for them would be nice. It makes sense large hybrid, cruise/torp, projectile, and laser skills each take 20 days, they are all different weapon systems. However both sentries and heavies have 20 day skill trains, and then each race has a 20 day specialization train. It would make more sense to have " heavy drone specialization " and "sentry drone specialization " instead of 4 different 20 day skills.

Anyways wall of text aside, yes I am buttmad. Not because of a nerf, but because I feel they are nerfing the wrong thing. It's like they think if they nerf gardes enough, people will use the others. This is true, because garde damage is getting so low that it is slowly becoming useless against even serpentis, since serp dmg hole is kinetic anyways. In pvp gardes rarely have the range to be effective, if the battlefield is moving at all. They should just nerf the ishtar and be done with it.

With the heavy changes, they might actually become more viable for pve at this rate.
Dominus Tempus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-05-25 17:51:09 UTC
Ah well whatever. Isk is for spending, right? It'll be a damn shame to have lower dps, I agree.

I probably won't be picking any up for a long time because they're just an unnecessary cost increase in a game where cheap ships are used to pop multi-billion isk carriers, dreads, and strategic cruisers.
TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#7 - 2014-05-26 11:39:53 UTC
Meandering Milieu wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:


Oh, and after watching Ishtar AHAC's mow through other AHAC fleets while gobbling lol-cakes and posting on reddit, I can see why this happened.


Funny thing, you can kill drones.

Ishtars have given me and my alliance problems at home ( they've given all of eve problems from what I understand), they are tough, maneuverable, and because they don't have to fit guns, they have tons of fitting for nothing but tank and mobility.

A few weeks back though, a battlecruiser fleet I was in managed to drive off an ishtar fleet, by simply killing their drones. Crazy I know. The ishtar's dps was crazy too, logi could barely keep up ( I went into 80% structure myself before they saved me) and we did lose a few. However free fire on drones cleared out enough that they were forced to leave the field, and we won.

Drones are unique in this sense, and sentries are a battleship class weapon. However they seem to fall short on the ishtar. Once you fit for tank/dmg mods to get that crazy ~750 dps post nerf, you don't have the CPU for the turrets. If you Armor tank, you aren't getting that crazy dps.

However a mega with 4 faction Magstabs, parallel to this ishtar, pulls around ~700dps depending on cal navy antimatter or javelin. That doesn't count their drones though. Simply add mediums and they pop well over 850 dps. The hyperion with 5 sentries and a full wrack of guns can do the same.

Fine though, the ishtar is a cruiser hull, and therefor shouldn't have the same theoretical dps as a battleship sized hull. If the ishtar was a problem, why not nerf it directly, instead of nerfing every sentry using drone boat in the game?

As for making the other racial varients more desirable, not having four 20 day skills for them would be nice. It makes sense large hybrid, cruise/torp, projectile, and laser skills each take 20 days, they are all different weapon systems. However both sentries and heavies have 20 day skill trains, and then each race has a 20 day specialization train. It would make more sense to have " heavy drone specialization " and "sentry drone specialization " instead of 4 different 20 day skills.

Anyways wall of text aside, yes I am buttmad. Not because of a nerf, but because I feel they are nerfing the wrong thing. It's like they think if they nerf gardes enough, people will use the others. This is true, because garde damage is getting so low that it is slowly becoming useless against even serpentis, since serp dmg hole is kinetic anyways. In pvp gardes rarely have the range to be effective, if the battlefield is moving at all. They should just nerf the ishtar and be done with it.

With the heavy changes, they might actually become more viable for pve at this rate.


While this is a well written post that I agree with, I more wanted to bring CCP's attention to the somewhat weird properties that the faction DDAs are displaying

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Meandering Milieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-05-26 19:44:08 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:


While this is a well written post that I agree with, I more wanted to bring CCP's attention to the somewhat weird properties that the faction DDAs are displaying


Sorry got caught up and sperged.

Weird properties? Well yeah I consider spending 400m for a downgrade from current stats to be weird. What I find weird is that apparently there is no CPU difference between T2 and Faction, from what I heard in another thread. You'd think they'd give it a fitting advantage.
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-27 08:16:53 UTC
did you not.... even try?? heavy drones.... really??.... navigation computer..... tracking amps.... + dmg amps... adds up quickly.. you can flip target in fleet fights and be pretty effective all while kiting....

you know what, nvm, keep up with my killboard next patch
TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#10 - 2014-05-27 19:07:23 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:
did you not.... even try?? heavy drones.... really??.... navigation computer..... tracking amps.... + dmg amps... adds up quickly.. you can flip target in fleet fights and be pretty effective all while kiting....

you know what, nvm, keep up with my killboard next patch


The advantage that Sentry drones have over heavies is also their disadvantage. I use Sentries for a reason.

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Ulibossk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-05-28 00:53:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ulibossk
I just checked on the test server and the faction DDA now only take 20 tf CPU vs. the 30 tf for the Tech2

Tech 2 give 23% damage boost and the faction give a 25.8% damage boost.
Zapp McDouche
Black Spot on Parchment
#12 - 2014-05-28 11:10:33 UTC
Are there deadspace drone dmg mods too or only faction? Smile
Titus Tallang
EVE University
Ivy League
#13 - 2014-05-28 12:51:47 UTC
There's no deadspace low-slot damage mods for any other weapon system - so it stands to reason there won't be one for drones, either.

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Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-05-30 08:25:03 UTC
On another note, do faction drone damage amps have 5-run BPCs available in any LP stores? I poked around a bit, and couldn't seem to find them. They have the same tag/LP costs as weapon damage mods, which DO have 5-run BPCs, so if they don't, they'll likely be quite a bit more expensive than the weapon damage mods. That seems bad considering how small of a jump they are over T2.
Ulibossk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-05-30 13:03:53 UTC
I could not find any 5-run BPC on any of the new faction drone modules. Hopefully they will add them at a later time.
TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#16 - 2014-05-30 15:47:37 UTC
Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:
On another note, do faction drone damage amps have 5-run BPCs available in any LP stores? I poked around a bit, and couldn't seem to find them. They have the same tag/LP costs as weapon damage mods, which DO have 5-run BPCs, so if they don't, they'll likely be quite a bit more expensive than the weapon damage mods. That seems bad considering how small of a jump they are over T2.


CCP, please fix this.

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Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2014-05-30 18:50:38 UTC
RIP my dominix- it loses over 100 dps, and even with the faction ddaas, it doesn't reach what it had before :/
Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-06-03 03:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jimbojohnson
No response on faction DDA BPCs? These things are going to be ridiculously expensive for how bad they are.

EDIT: At current tag prices, they're gonna hafta sell for over 150M each to even get a semi-decent return on LP, closer to 180M each to even be worth considering over other options competing for the same LP.

For the same tags/LP, you can buy 5 of the other weapon mods (fed navy magstabs) for the price of 3 DDAs.
Camper101
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#19 - 2014-06-03 08:41:21 UTC
Let's face the facts tho: The Ishtar stood out by a lot to other HACs.

Even if you nerfed damage output by another 100dps it would stay the most used HAC. It's not a bad thing that it can't achieve 800+ dps that easily anymore.

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