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High sec customs office tax now 100 times more !! post patch WTF?
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FastJack316
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2011-12-03 07:03:26 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
FastJack316 wrote:


Arkonor? Really? Really?

You think we mine?


You, personally, no, I doubt you have the patience. But others do, and they work for, or are alts of, goons, meaning they're part of your income too.

And, notice, neither of them denied the rats bit.


No, we don't. I can guarantee you that nobody in Goonwaffe mines and if you ever find someone who does I promise I will ask the Directorate for authority to give them an incredibly demeaning title or shoot them.

And of course we're not going to deny we make ISK ratting, that's where the main body of goons gets their cash. 0.0 complexes have shitloads of battleship and battlecruiser rats that our focus on PvP skillpoints lets us kill. Nothing close to what a dedicated L4 empire mission runner with his officer fit tengu or Incursion runners will make, but you don't seem particularly angry about them.
bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#122 - 2011-12-03 07:05:55 UTC
ratting.. you mean botting.. no need to lie about it, CCP doesnt even care....
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2011-12-03 07:57:32 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
FastJack316 wrote:


Arkonor? Really? Really?

You think we mine?


You, personally, no, I doubt you have the patience. But others do, and they work for, or are alts of, goons, meaning they're part of your income too.

And, notice, neither of them denied the rats bit.


Nobody mines in 0.0 (except maybe Intrepid Crossing, but they are the exception that proves the point). Other activities make so much ISK that 0.0 dwellers who need minerals can just buy them from high sec peons who lick asteroids 23/7 for pennies.

The only real mineral source in 0.0 is drone rats (drone goo refines into minerals) and that's probably where most of the high end materials come (=ratting). Prices would have to rise considerably before there is much point in mining the 0.0 rocks.
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#124 - 2011-12-03 08:59:00 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
FastJack316 wrote:


Arkonor? Really? Really?

You think we mine?


You, personally, no, I doubt you have the patience. But others do, and they work for, or are alts of, goons, meaning they're part of your income too.

And, notice, neither of them denied the rats bit.


Nobody mines in 0.0 (except maybe Intrepid Crossing, but they are the exception that proves the point). Other activities make so much ISK that 0.0 dwellers who need minerals can just buy them from high sec peons who lick asteroids 23/7 for pennies.

The only real mineral source in 0.0 is drone rats (drone goo refines into minerals) and that's probably where most of the high end materials come (=ratting). Prices would have to rise considerably before there is much point in mining the 0.0 rocks.



Until, in a not so distance patch, drone rats stop dropping dronegoo and have bounties instead.

Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#125 - 2011-12-03 13:22:28 UTC
Jack Dant wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
You fail to factor ship loss, clone costs, and any import taxes. Those are also losses that count against your profits.

If you are losing clones in lowsec, you are doing it very wrong. I have only lost one pod in empire in the last 2 years, despite nearly 200 ship losses.

And with proper ships and scouting, losing haulers should be extremely rare.


I agree. If you fly something like a blockade runner, the losses are negligible. I've flown a blockade runner in low sec off and on for something like three years and occasionally in null sec. Never lost one. Cygnet, you are doing something wrong, especially given your claim that you're only making 300k per planet. But I don't find this surprising after reading your posts in this thread.
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#126 - 2011-12-03 17:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Esunisen
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Seriously.

Risk : Reward, retards. If you won't risk doing PI where it is valuable ... you don't get to reap the rewards.

Working as intended, finally.


This, Mr ******, only works if you only do extract+P1, export them and sell them.

People like me who BUY P1 to make P4 and then use them to build things are screwed.

Buy P1 more expensive, pay P1 import taxes, pay P4 export taxes, sell them for ... how much ? To have my old income again, i'd have to sell them 4mil each. Who gonna buy ?

And i don't need to go in nullsec or w/e to install factory planets or POS.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2011-12-03 18:26:19 UTC
So what will people who need p4 do, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#128 - 2011-12-03 21:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Esunisen
Go back to mining ? It pays more...

/me is looking for a reallot SP button but can't find it
Gorgon Spinoza
Solaris Institute of Science and Technology
#129 - 2011-12-04 01:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorgon Spinoza
I work all day to earn Euro's to pay CCP for my EVE account.
The RL goverment taxes my income very much like a maffia organization.
CCP hits me with even more taxes - f%$@g hell.

CCP is creating a huge money-sink to take out billions of ISK out of the game.
Buying a PLEX with ISK is not an option now since we will all go broke on taxes.
Instead I am forced to draw my creditcard again.

To me this looks as a cheap scam to steal my ISK.
Suprisingly it is not a player scamming me now but God ... (correction) CCP Almighty.

Has no-one ever thought you guys; never bite the hand that feeds you?
Menrith Hadel
Boop Brigade
#130 - 2011-12-04 03:26:15 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
It's fun to see a goonswarm alt like Regneir try and troll.

Mostly because if they, say, nerfed rats, moons, and arknor into the ground like PI, they'd be one of hte first groups to line up and scream.

The Mittani wants moons (Tech, at least) nerfed, and has pushed for this as leader of the CSM. I'm interested to see what you'll come up with to reconcile that with your Goons-as-Illuminati worldview.
Sage Revinour
Only Fools or Horses
#131 - 2011-12-04 04:09:00 UTC
Broomhilde wrote:
Frederheim wrote:
PI is completely worthless to do now. 1 day of export costs from a single planet cost about 5k yesterday. Today it costs 550,000. How the hell can I sell it at a profit if it costs me 110 times as much to export off the planet? All 3 of my accounts canceled. Screw CCP.



^^ This, Im done. Yeah, yeah I know I can simply offset this by raising my own prices and raping customers, but thats OK, ill pass.

Done.


Contemplating shutting down my towers now, since high sec PI has been gutted. And with no towers, 50% of this game is not worth bothering with. Will make a decision to stick with no PI/Industry, or just bail (4 accounts).

And yes, this is an alt.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2011-12-04 08:31:42 UTC
Sage Revinour wrote:
Broomhilde wrote:
Frederheim wrote:
PI is completely worthless to do now. 1 day of export costs from a single planet cost about 5k yesterday. Today it costs 550,000. How the hell can I sell it at a profit if it costs me 110 times as much to export off the planet? All 3 of my accounts canceled. Screw CCP.



^^ This, Im done. Yeah, yeah I know I can simply offset this by raising my own prices and raping customers, but thats OK, ill pass.

Done.


Contemplating shutting down my towers now, since high sec PI has been gutted. And with no towers, 50% of this game is not worth bothering with. Will make a decision to stick with no PI/Industry, or just bail (4 accounts).

And yes, this is an alt.


Have you considered Economics 101?

If the towers are not producing profit even with fuel bought from the market, why did you run them? Your POS fuel parts from PI are not free. Never were. If the only way you could profit from the towers was by making the fuel, you would have profited the same (or more) by just making fuel for the market.

Why are so many people so bad at math and basic business logic? Has TV and today's education mushed the brains of everyone or what...!?
Hoohnzy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#133 - 2011-12-04 12:20:30 UTC
Vihura wrote:
All complaining about taxes are rateards just recalculate all prices and start sell at new price if you sell at old price you are dump as hell and you deserve to lose.Evil Fack some people just don't want adapt and learn.


Yea recalculate, but who will buy if there are others selling under this price because they have no tax? Like the diference between Veldspar mining crystal II made from invented BPC and BPO. I dont want to whine about T2 BPO. I just want to say, that noone will buy my Veldspar crystal II from invented -4/-4 BPC for 200k if they are selling for 100k from 20/x researched BPO.
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#134 - 2011-12-04 14:33:34 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Old tariffs vs new tariffs (as a percentage of the market price of the item).

P0 paid 0.10 ISK/u on products worth 1.50-3.50 (about 2.8% to 6.67%)
P1 paid 0.76 ISK/u on products worth 200-800 (anywhere from 0.095% to 0.38%)
P2 paid 9.00 ISK/u on stuff worth 6k-10k (about 0.09% to 0.15%)
P3 paid 600 ISK/u on stuff worth 35k to 70k (0.86% to 1.7%)
P4 paid 100000 ISK on stuff worth 500k to 1200k (8.3% to 20%)

Under today's prices and the new CONCORD tariffs:

P0 - 10% to 20% effective rate
P1 - 6.7% to 33%
P2 - 7.5% to 17%
P3 - 6% to 11%
P4 - 6% to 12%

Under the old system, the tariffs on P1/P2 were a joke compared to the other tiers. So everyone got lazy and stopped including those tariffs in their import/export calculations. Even the P3 tariffs were a bit of a joke. From a point of consistency, the new tariffs make a lot more sense across the P1-P4 tiers. As the cheaper P1/P2 products rise a bit in value, you'll see 6-12% tariffs across all of the tiers.

Now you have to pay attention to the tariffs and decide how many steps you want to do on a single planet. The more effort you put in (and the more tiers that you can skip), the better positioned you will be to make a profit at a price point below what your competitor (who is stuck in the old mindset) can survive at.

^^
THIS

I paid milions of tax per day cuz I was producing P4. Other tiers had almost 0% tax compared. Now in the new system my tax just went up by 170%

Old system P4 market coasts 1.000.000 isk/unit
New system P4 market coasts 1.085.000 isk/unit

Rly nothing to panic. The customer pays the tax.

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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2011-12-04 14:57:38 UTC
Hoohnzy wrote:
Vihura wrote:
All complaining about taxes are rateards just recalculate all prices and start sell at new price if you sell at old price you are dump as hell and you deserve to lose.Evil Fack some people just don't want adapt and learn.


Yea recalculate, but who will buy if there are others selling under this price because they have no tax? Like the diference between Veldspar mining crystal II made from invented BPC and BPO. I dont want to whine about T2 BPO. I just want to say, that noone will buy my Veldspar crystal II from invented -4/-4 BPC for 200k if they are selling for 100k from 20/x researched BPO.


The vast majority comes from highsec and that sets the price. The only effect of the tax is that those who are doing it under their own (invested, expensive) POCOs profit more. They won't be supplying enough to set the price level.
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#136 - 2011-12-04 15:30:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Esunisen
FastJack316 wrote:
No, we don't. I can guarantee you that nobody in Goonwaffe mines and if you ever find someone who does I promise I will ask the Directorate for authority to give them an incredibly demeaning title or shoot them.


Then you should better watch what is happening in Deklein.

5S-KXA, industry level 5 (B: 7)
85-B52, industry level 4 (B: 10)
3JN9-Q, industry level 3 (B: 14)
O-2RNZ, industry level 1 (B: 8+3)
K5F-Z2, industry level 2 (B: 8)
AD-CBT, industry level 1 (B: 16)
R8S-1K, industry level 2 (B 6+1)

Industry index is maintained only with mining. Maybe in Goonwaffe nobody mines, but not in CONDI. Or is it some carebear slaves (bots?) working for you ?
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#137 - 2011-12-04 15:36:35 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
FastJack316 wrote:
No, we don't. I can guarantee you that nobody in Goonwaffe mines and if you ever find someone who does I promise I will ask the Directorate for authority to give them an incredibly demeaning title or shoot them.


Then you should better watch what is happening in Deklein.

5S-KXA, industry level 5 (B: 7)
85-B52, industry level 4 (B: 10)
3JN9-Q, industry level 3 (B: 14)
O-2RNZ, industry level 1 (B: 8+3)
K5F-Z2, industry level 2 (B: 8)
AD-CBT, industry level 1 (B: 16)
R8S-1K, industry level 2 (B 6+1)

Industry index is maintained only with mining. Maybe in Goonwaffe nobody mines, but not in CONDI. Or is it some carebear slaves (bots?) working for you ?



Shush, we're not supposed to know that goons are lying through their teeth in order to get what they want. It's 'social PvP'.
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#138 - 2011-12-04 15:37:48 UTC
Oops Oops
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2011-12-04 16:55:56 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Have you considered Economics 101?

--usual "opportunity cost"/"minerals are free" goose-stepping snipped--

Why are so many people so bad at math and basic business logic? Has TV and today's education mushed the brains of everyone or what...!?


Think about it for a second, I'm sure it'll come to you.

Or not.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2011-12-04 18:12:01 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
Then you should better watch what is happening in Deklein.

5S-KXA, industry level 5 (B: 7)
85-B52, industry level 4 (B: 10)
3JN9-Q, industry level 3 (B: 14)
O-2RNZ, industry level 1 (B: 8+3)
K5F-Z2, industry level 2 (B: 8)
AD-CBT, industry level 1 (B: 16)
R8S-1K, industry level 2 (B 6+1)

Industry index is maintained only with mining. Maybe in Goonwaffe nobody mines, but not in CONDI. Or is it some carebear slaves (bots?) working for you ?

Dearie me, a whole 4 systems where there's some sporadic mining going on, and 3 where there might be some organized mining going on. Quick, to EN24.

Compare the number of mining systems to total systems in GSF space to, say, NCdot and their pets, Raidendot, and all the russian space. What do you get?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat