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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#81 - 2014-05-26 14:08:31 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Not sure what, if any, solution there is to this apart from drinking more Victoria Bitter and hanging corks from our hats.



Don't drink Victoria Bitter man.

If you want to beat the Gallente in the AU TZ you need to drink Tooheys Extra Dry.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2014-05-26 15:10:13 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:

Quote:
3) The last meta switch - while we did much better than previously in staying on top of the meta and switching into the right ships for the right job quickly throughout most of the weekend we didn't develop any sort of adequate counter to your tristan/navitas doctrine.

Yup, you guys did a pretty decent job in copying our counters to TEST. Looking forward to what you can come up with to counter our Tristan / Navitas doctrine, especially in the novices.

offtopic here: what is the main idea of Tristan/Navitas doctrine and why it is so difficult to counter?

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2014-05-26 15:22:22 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
offtopic here: what is the main idea of Tristan/Navitas doctrine and why it is so difficult to counter?

Main idea is to hypnotise the enemy FC with swarms of drones dancing in his tactical overlay.

Gallente have also secretly figured out how to force the drones into a formation that looks like two gigantic boobs, further incapacitating the enemies' concentration.

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Veratrix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-05-26 16:00:53 UTC
What is with the aversion to flying cruiser sized doctrines for mediums and larges? Do y'all not have the guys with the skills? Or are FC's not willing to lead it?

We could pretty much guarantee ourselves mediums no matter the number disparity because y'all refused to ship into cruiser doctrines outside of 2 instances over the course of the 2 and a half days, and with larges entering the regular spawning cycle if y'all continue to secede the majority of mediums and larges I don't see how you can ever hope to hold a system in the face of an offensive.
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Moira.
#85 - 2014-05-26 18:08:10 UTC
Staying awake till 4:00 AM US central TZ was rough (even with/because of the scotch). Many thanks to all who participated on both sides.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#86 - 2014-05-26 18:34:59 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
offtopic here: what is the main idea of Tristan/Navitas doctrine and why it is so difficult to counter?

Main idea is to hypnotise the enemy FC with swarms of drones dancing in his tactical overlay.

Gallente have also secretly figured out how to force the drones into a formation that looks like two gigantic boobs, further incapacitating the enemies' concentration.

Not much to it. Two drone bunnies 7km apart....
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2014-05-26 18:38:08 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
offtopic here: what is the main idea of Tristan/Navitas doctrine and why it is so difficult to counter?

Main idea is to hypnotise the enemy FC with swarms of drones dancing in his tactical overlay.

Gallente have also secretly figured out how to force the drones into a formation that looks like two gigantic boobs, further incapacitating the enemies' concentration.

Not much to it. Two drone bunnies 7km apart....

Yeah, the hardest part are the two Navitas' doing the nipples, that always get primaried.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#88 - 2014-05-26 22:41:44 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Veskrashen wrote:

Quote:
3) The last meta switch - while we did much better than previously in staying on top of the meta and switching into the right ships for the right job quickly throughout most of the weekend we didn't develop any sort of adequate counter to your tristan/navitas doctrine.

Yup, you guys did a pretty decent job in copying our counters to TEST. Looking forward to what you can come up with to counter our Tristan / Navitas doctrine, especially in the novices.

offtopic here: what is the main idea of Tristan/Navitas doctrine and why it is so difficult to counter?





It's not hard to counter.

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wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-05-26 22:52:26 UTC  |  Edited by: wilgotna
ah more pathetic smugness from the gallente

HELLO GALLENTE!! your competition is bad at this game!

then u dudes come here saying stuff like

"lol we win 8 vs 80 lol"

"lol when r u gonna counter our tristans? lol"

"lol u guys r 2 scared 2 ship 2 cruisers?? lol"

"every medium/large plex is free for us lolololololol!"

...lets keep it real kids
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2014-05-26 22:57:43 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
ah more pathetic smugness from the gallente

HELLO GALLENTE!! your competition is bad at this game!

then u dudes come here saying stuff like

"lol we win 8 vs 80 lol"

"lol when r u gonna counter our tristans? lol"

"lol u guys r 2 scared 2 ship 2 cruisers?? lol"

"every medium/large plex is free for us lolololololol!"

...lets keep it real kids

U mad bro? Sounds like u mad bro....

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2014-05-26 23:00:16 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
ah more pathetic smugness from the gallente

HELLO GALLENTE!! your competition is bad at this game!

then u dudes come here saying stuff like

"lol when r u gonna counter our tristans?"

"lol u guys r 2 scared 2 ship 2 cruisers??"

"every medium/large plex is free for us lol!"

...lets keep it real kids

Everybody in this thread seems to be having a good time except you.

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Epikurus
TheBlacklist
#92 - 2014-05-26 23:00:41 UTC
Veratrix wrote:
What is with the aversion to flying cruiser sized doctrines for mediums and larges? Do y'all not have the guys with the skills? Or are FC's not willing to lead it?

We could pretty much guarantee ourselves mediums no matter the number disparity because y'all refused to ship into cruiser doctrines outside of 2 instances over the course of the 2 and a half days, and with larges entering the regular spawning cycle if y'all continue to secede the majority of mediums and larges I don't see how you can ever hope to hold a system in the face of an offensive.


A large proportion of our fleet in these occasions tends to be general militia guys who don't have the skills. If they do have the skills they only have one cruiser to lose so aren't able to reship and keep fighting in the mediums. Within our main corps we also have a higher proportion of newer players than you guys causing a similar problem (this can and should have been ameliorated by prior planning and corps having cruisers ready to hand out though). In addition, the lower skill point level on our side means that while we might be able to field a cruiser fleet to match you from time to time it is very hard to get a similar number of logi on field (you field a lot!). Add to that the sprinkling of T2 cruisers you were bringing and it just made sense to not contest the mediums and stick to trying to take the novices and the smalls.

So, not a refusal to ship to cruisers but a general futility in doing so. The basic idea of holding two out of three plexes is pretty sound and worked on Saturday but the increased number of larges is certainly a problem that changes the equation.
Epikurus
TheBlacklist
#93 - 2014-05-26 23:09:38 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Veskrashen wrote:

Quote:
3) The last meta switch - while we did much better than previously in staying on top of the meta and switching into the right ships for the right job quickly throughout most of the weekend we didn't develop any sort of adequate counter to your tristan/navitas doctrine.

Yup, you guys did a pretty decent job in copying our counters to TEST. Looking forward to what you can come up with to counter our Tristan / Navitas doctrine, especially in the novices.

offtopic here: what is the main idea of Tristan/Navitas doctrine and why it is so difficult to counter?


I'm not sure it's too difficult to counter in theory. The main problem is just lots of logi (c. 12 at one point), which can be dealt with but needs the right fleet comp in place and some skilled flying from a number of pilots, which can be arranged. The big problem was trying to counter it on the fly without having all the right ships stocked in system. We got one counter shipped in but that took time and was only effective in smalls. By the time we realised we needed another and would have to wait an hour or more to sort the supply situation out it was getting towards late US tz, DUST had pushed the system over 90% and still had the potential to add another 5% and the uncontested AU tz was coming up. Seemed like an appropriate time to call off the op.

tl;dr - not necessarily hard to counter, just needs the right gear.
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-05-26 23:32:19 UTC
trust me im having a good time. but thats irrelevant!

lets just analyze whats going on in this thread

a bunch of gallente dudes circlejerking

epikurus saying stuff like "omg it wasnt 8 vs 80 it was only 8 vs 40, see we arent that bad!!"

ibanez and i making constructive comments here and there

the average caldari militiaman obviously doesnt care at all about getting stomped out every time they log on, or they would have switched sides like baron soontirfail

i dont know if its because they just have way better social lives than the average gallente, or because they dont even know that a forum exists

but the point is that there are no caldari here to provide logical counter-point to the huge gallente circlejerk
Epikurus
TheBlacklist
#95 - 2014-05-26 23:44:29 UTC
wilgotna wrote:

epikurus saying stuff like "omg it wasnt 8 vs 80 it was only 8 vs 40, see we arent that bad!!"



Actually, the point was that whatever the numbers involved, since the two sides were doing completely different things and not actually facing each other with them one can hardly say the one group was 'fighting' the other in any sense in which numbers are meaningful. Any more than the one guy plexing in Nennamaila in an atron is 'fighting' the 20 guys docked up in Nenn station.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#96 - 2014-05-27 00:01:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
wilgotna wrote:
trust me im having a good time. but thats irrelevant!

lets just analyze whats going on in this thread

a bunch of gallente dudes circlejerking

epikurus saying stuff like "omg it wasnt 8 vs 80 it was only 8 vs 40, see we arent that bad!!"

ibanez and i making constructive comments here and there

the average caldari militiaman obviously doesnt care at all about getting stomped out every time they log on, or they would have switched sides like baron soontirfail

i dont know if its because they just have way better social lives than the average gallente, or because they dont even know that a forum exists

but the point is that there are no caldari here to provide logical counter-point to the huge gallente circlejerk


The 8 man fleet was a demonstration that we dont always have a blob.

The 8 vs 40/70 only yielded success for us because they got distracted shooting a pos.

You only sperge on these forums because you are mad.

The only uncertainty is what upset you, doubt anyone cares though.
wilgotna
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-05-27 01:19:46 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
You only sperge on these forums because you are mad.


if i admit that im mad will you admit that this thread is a big gallente circlejerk?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#98 - 2014-05-27 01:30:01 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
You only sperge on these forums because you are mad.


if i admit that im mad will you admit that this thread is a big gallente circlejerk?


I dont think any bargains need to be made to establish that you are mad.
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#99 - 2014-05-27 03:22:29 UTC
wilgotna wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
You only sperge on these forums because you are mad.


if i admit that im mad will you admit that this thread is a big gallente circlejerk?


This thread is not a big Gallente circlejerk, and I feel offended that you would make such an assertion.

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Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-05-27 05:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Baron' Soontir Fel
Epikurus wrote:

A large proportion of our fleet in these occasions tends to be general militia guys who don't have the skills. If they do have the skills they only have one cruiser to lose so aren't able to reship and keep fighting in the mediums. Within our main corps we also have a higher proportion of newer players than you guys causing a similar problem (this can and should have been ameliorated by prior planning and corps having cruisers ready to hand out though.


Yea this was a huge problem in Calmil when I was in it too. I'm just surprised you haven't been able to build up an experienced base of pilots. (not every one leaves like me)

Add in the issues with shield-tanking, and the Caldari weapon split between missiles and gunnery (and the skill point split) and you're asking for a lot of fail cruiser fleets.

Also, logistics-wise, I can see where this is a major problem especially with no hard 'home' systems and militia-wide staging areas.