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Mining with Venture and Security
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Quant Predictorian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-05-25 09:16:33 UTC
Is it possible to secure asteroid mining from NPC pirates? Scout drones are possible, but what are other options for safer mining except escape from them?

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Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#2 - 2014-05-25 09:33:55 UTC
It Depends on where you are mining. There are no pirate spawns in 1.0 and 0.9 space in Asteroid Belts (I'm not sure if there are pirate spawns in the Cosmic Anomaly Mining Sites 1.0, 0.9) So if you mine there then there won't be NPC pirates to worry about. You don't have to kill the pirates if you're capable of tanking them. You mentioned you are mining in a Venture which has relatively low hitpoints, but if you train to fly a Procurer (A mining barge, if you want to make a career in eve mining, training for mining barges is a good idea), it is more than capable of perma tanking the highsec rat spawns with ease (And even some of the lowsec/0.0 spawns).

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Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#3 - 2014-05-25 09:36:53 UTC
Drones are simply the best option. You can deploy your drones and set them to auto aggro. That way drones will automatically enagage whatever enagages you. Epecially if you are in venture, you can simply increase your own resistances a bit by having small shield booster to tank the incoming damage.

I remember when I started this game mining in venture, I was perfectly fine able to tank rats in 0.8 with just civilian shield booster constantly on.

You can also increase your drone damage with skills.

Other options - although far less useful is to have gun on your ship or friend clearing the belts. Neither which make really sense compared to using just drones.
Quant Predictorian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-05-25 09:55:50 UTC
Thanks for tips. Actually I'm talking about 0.5 sec Blood NPC's, yes I already increased my venture armor (its around 800 hp). But still they are much much powerful than my ship. Only way is escape. Maybe drones are the best solution to fight against them.

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Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#5 - 2014-05-25 10:55:25 UTC
Damage control module is probably the most important single item you can have in your frigate if you wish to tank up. For venture I would not recommend armor as a tank. Try shields instead with just booster and maybe extender..

Also, belts rats are usually very bad at hitting moving targets. since drones can by default engage at 30 (35?km) range, you can easily outrange your opponents by just flying around the belt. Heck, even orbiting asteroid fast enough should do it.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#6 - 2014-05-25 12:35:14 UTC
The Venture's strength in combat situations is its low signature radius. This makes you hard to hit, as long as you are moving. Think how hardit is for a human to swat a fly - yyou want to be that fly.

Orbit the rock you are mining, with an afterburner active, and NPC cruisers will almost always miss you.

Avoid microwarp drives and shield modules with the penalty "increases signature radius". And use your drones to actually kill the rats while you dodge them.

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Mina Tiessand
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-05-26 11:36:05 UTC
Something like this:
[Venture, Venture: Low sec Mining]
Damage Control II

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Shield Booster II

Miner II
Miner II
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II

Hobgoblin II x2
Quant Predictorian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-05-26 15:39:49 UTC
Mina, these are very expensive upgrades. With these upgrades, what is the defense hp number?

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-26 16:09:02 UTC
You're going to want to work towards barges, especially if you want to mine in 0.5 sec. A Retriever and four drones can take out any NPC high-sec can throw at you.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2014-05-26 17:42:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
The Venture has a beast of a tank.

This is what I use, but I don't expect a beginner to use the same; you can replace the tech 2 modules with equivalent tech 1 = meta 0, or higher meta modules as your wallet allows.

I've done level 1 combat missions in this Venture after replacing the MLU with a Damage Control II, and the survey scanner with (I forget - possibly a shield booster) but a combat ship is preferable!

The shield extender and rigs are the key to its tanking prowess.

[Venture, Advanced]
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

[empty high slot]
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Kernite Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Kernite Mining Crystal II

Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x2
Efernal
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-05-26 23:09:39 UTC
Suitonia wrote:
It Depends on where you are mining. There are no pirate spawns in 1.0 and 0.9 space in Asteroid Belts (I'm not sure if there are pirate spawns in the Cosmic Anomaly Mining Sites 1.0, 0.9) So if you mine there then there won't be NPC pirates to worry about. You don't have to kill the pirates if you're capable of tanking them. You mentioned you are mining in a Venture which has relatively low hitpoints, but if you train to fly a Procurer (A mining barge, if you want to make a career in eve mining, training for mining barges is a good idea), it is more than capable of perma tanking the highsec rat spawns with ease (And even some of the lowsec/0.0 spawns).




With cosmic anomaly's some will spawn hostiles every few minutes (Rouge Drones seem to be a common spawn). The regular belt rats tend to make these things a new stop on their patrol until it is mined out as well. Or at least this is what I have noticed so far.

If you really want you can have a shield booster drone in your drone mix to help tank. I also find the Venture an interesting ship. You can hunt the rats with T2 drones system to system and keeping a eye out for the cosmic anomaly roid belt that randomly spawn. Get the good ore and maybe get some juicy loot to mix it up...Mining can get boring so don't be afraid to think outside of the box when using that ship....
Sjofn Sleipnir
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-05-27 12:58:22 UTC
Sorry for the dumb question, but how do you set Scout Drones to auto-engage please?

I have tried Mining in a Venture, guarded by Scout Drones. However, each time I see any Pirates, I have to launch the drones, target the pirate (which requires keeping a spare targeting capacity beyond the asteroids I am mining), then select 'Engage Target'.

Do the Drones automatically engage anything that shoots at me? What?
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-05-27 13:09:11 UTC
Sjofn Sleipnir wrote:
Do the Drones automatically engage anything that shoots at me? What?


In the upper left corner of the drones window there is a button to click for a drop down menu. Here you can set your drones to "Aggressive". They will automatically attack anything that aggresses you. However, the drones have to be launched already when you are aggressed. If you launch them after the npc starts shooting they will just sit there until you instruct them to engage. Another common problem is the npc must be within your drone control range when they aggress. If they are outside it when they attack and then move closer, your drones will still just sit there and smile.

TLDR: Be at the keyboard and control your drones. Auto-aggression is not something to rely on.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-05-27 13:12:39 UTC
This thread has a few interesting fits for a Venture. I prefer Rezard's fit if I'm in highsec. It shouldn't run you more than 2 million. Your fitting skills need to be in good shape if you want to use it.

If you like getting bounties, then have Hobgoblins out shooting at rats. Otherwise, a decent tank will ensure you never feel any shots from a rat even when standing perfectly still. I can be in 0.3 or above and not need to shoot rats.

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Sjofn Sleipnir
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-05-27 13:28:23 UTC
Thanks.

I tend not to launch the drones in advance as I have been known to forget to pick them up again before warping out.

So I launch them when the Pirates appear.

It seems I need to choose which is the preferred option Lol